tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post1931661565901462348..comments2024-03-28T16:59:30.099+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: Hanging Baskets, Bad. Bin Lorries With Blind Spots, Not A Problem…JuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-73711300438457737982009-08-10T13:07:53.021+01:002009-08-10T13:07:53.021+01:00What if she had been deaf and couldn't hear it...What if she had been deaf and couldn't hear it? Do you think the driver and his navigator would have got off their arses then? No, of course not.Robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-87973280271418163812009-08-09T07:21:56.748+01:002009-08-09T07:21:56.748+01:00"...I'd be a bit surprised if the Daily F...<i>"...I'd be a bit surprised if the Daily Fail missed the opportunity for an iPods Of Death Killing Our Children spin on the story ;-) "</i> <br /><br />Lol! No, they'd never pass up that chance, that's for sure...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-64613763443234834202009-08-08T21:11:39.098+01:002009-08-08T21:11:39.098+01:00The report doesn't say, but I wonder if she ha...<i>The report doesn't say, but I wonder if she had an iPod on, or was looking at her mobile phone?</i><br><br>That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, but my answer would be the same. It boils down to this: pedestrians are road users just as much as drivers and have a responsibility for their own safety because all road users have a responsibility to avoid colliding with each other. Since pedestrians will always come off worse when colliding with just about anything other than another pedestrian it always puzzles me why so many seem not to have given the matter any thought.<br /><br />Years ago I used to have to go into London quite a lot and I lost count of the number of times I had to slam on the anchors for retarded pedestrians who entered the road without looking, and nine times out of ten they had a phone clamped to their ear or faces buried in a newspaper. This was the late 90s so pre-iPod but I'm sure they have their own fuckwit users who'd rather immerse themselves in a world of sound than stay alert for the possible dangers that go along with motorized transport. But if their choons, or phone conversations or newspaper articles, are more important than the simple act of checking the bloody road, whose fault is that really?<br /><br />As you say, the article doesn't make it clear one way or the other, though I'd be a bit surprised if the <i>Daily Fail</i> missed the opportunity for an iPods Of Death Killing Our Children spin on the story ;-) However, I think there's enough there that we can infer that the truck was on the road and the unfortunate girl was not killed because the driver reversed it up onto the pavement. Assuming that is the case I can't see much difference from when people get hit by trains or eaten by sharks - both fates are easily avoided by staying off railway lines and out of the ocean, or taking some fairly obvious precautions if you do want to cross the line or go for a swim. In any event there should be no question of ultimate responsibility if the worst should happen and you get killed by a shark driving a train.Angry Exilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491082312193274360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-67288242095238975142009-08-08T19:55:34.144+01:002009-08-08T19:55:34.144+01:00"But I'm sure all the relevant elf'n&...<i>"But I'm sure all the relevant elf'n'safety paperwork was in order so its OK then. "</i> <br /><br />As long as the right box is ticked...<br /><br /><i>"...where does some semblence of responsibility on the dead girl's part come into this? "</i> <br /><br />Well, I'm certainly always cautious around large, moving vehicles. Perhaps she just took it for granted they could see her?<br /><br /><i>"...people should think of their own senses - including the common one - as the most important things to keep them safe."</i> <br /><br />The report doesn't say, but I wonder if she had an iPod on, or was looking at her mobile phone?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-28531400639869028352009-08-08T15:54:55.407+01:002009-08-08T15:54:55.407+01:00Agree with Anon. It's six and two threes. What...Agree with Anon. It's six and two threes. What if the vehicle had a functioning reverse alarm and a lookout, yet someone managed to walk under it and died anyway before the lookout could react because they were deaf or because there was so much ambient noise that it was drowned out? In that situation, along with most others, I'd say it's incumbent on each of us to look out for our own safety, which means looking where we're going and at what's going on around us. We're not talking about being skittled by something small and hard to hear like a cyclist or a little electric car. As Anon says, a 7.5 tonner would have a nice noisy diesel engine and would be the size of... well, its the size of a fucking truck, isn't it? The fact that the council are going to get it in the neck for this just shows how people are forgetting how to take responsibility for their own safety and need the fucking nanny state to hold their hands all the time. Reversing alarms and banksmen or whatever should be considered a desirable extra but people should think of their own senses - including the common one - as the most important things to keep them safe.Angry Exilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491082312193274360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-87655108793444256842009-08-08T12:28:53.097+01:002009-08-08T12:28:53.097+01:00I'm sorry, but where does some semblence of re...I'm sorry, but where does some semblence of responsibility on the dead girl's part come into this? <br /><br />Of course it's a horrid accident but do people not have eyes and ears any more? A 7½ ton truck isn't exactly small is it?<br /><br />Everyone seems happy to blame the driver but some portion of blame must go to the pedestrian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-61561913382198424262009-08-08T11:48:26.839+01:002009-08-08T11:48:26.839+01:00When I was a kid I remember they always had someon...When I was a kid I remember they always had someone outside directing them. Always.NickMhttp://www.countingcats.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-20395301393385303462009-08-08T11:06:50.116+01:002009-08-08T11:06:50.116+01:00But I'm sure all the relevant elf'n'sa...But I'm sure all the relevant elf'n'safety paperwork was in order so its OK then. <br /><br />I despair, I really do. We have reached a point where reality is outweighed by the virtual reality of the paperwork. If the form says its OK it is. Run someone over in your dustcart, fine as long as the forms are OK. Be perfectly safe, but have no paperwork - prosecution and fines.<br /><br />The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.sobersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-46228803873272344782009-08-08T08:57:19.285+01:002009-08-08T08:57:19.285+01:00Rhondda Cynon Taff. Not surprised really. The most...Rhondda Cynon Taff. Not surprised really. The most corrupt council in Wales and probably England too. <br /><br />No doubt the reverse alarm had not been repaired as the councillor in charge had probably skimmed off the money earmarked for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com