tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post5356560978583777664..comments2024-03-29T11:13:00.338+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: The ‘It’s All The Fault Of The Government!’ GenerationJuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-47121299309850901012012-02-27T15:50:19.406+00:002012-02-27T15:50:19.406+00:00Meh, he is right. There should not be such a thin...Meh, he is right. There should not be such a thing as 'workfare' or 'placements' or 'training'.<br /><br />Instead, the problem would be far easier solved if there was no dole handouts and people purchased unemployment insurance, just like they buy any other insurance.<br /><br />Then we can close the job centers and let the DWP take care of the actual people who deserve help: our genuinely sick and disabled people.<br /><br />And we'l be spared the imbecile whingers who waste their time and our money on taking degree courses in subjects they cannot find jobs for.Hexe Froschbeinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-55834646047142070012012-02-26T13:58:20.810+00:002012-02-26T13:58:20.810+00:00Should have done a degree in Womyns Studies or Mar...Should have done a degree in Womyns Studies or Marxism and he could have got a job in 'diversity'. Silly boy.<br /><br />Being in the bracket of 'lower middle class' who will be looking for a new job very soon, i am equally unoptomistic. I can rail against the inequities of corporate greed who look at us as slightly expensive slaves and i can rail against those who have decided to give a massive two fingered salute to the world aiming for a life of benefits, paid on the condition they don't become too rebellious and threaten the economic status quo.<br /><br />We all have frustrations and if this guy wants to bleat then let him. Welcome to the real world my friend!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-25057163128044875572012-02-26T06:40:03.545+00:002012-02-26T06:40:03.545+00:00"However the author really gets my ire when h...<i>"However the author really gets my ire when he writes that the government is inciting hatred towards the unemployed. How exactly do they do that?"</i> <br /><br />He's merely borrowing the rhetoric of the disability groups, that being told to prove that your condition hasn't improved is 'harassment'.<br /><br /><i>"It's not good, though, is it? He took a vaguely-sensible degree and doesn't appear to be able to get anything at all. "</i> <br /><br />We don't know what he's applying for, though. Nor how he acts at interview. I have to day, if it's the way he comes across in the article, well...<br /><br /><i>"So you think the government is doing ok and its his fault he is unemployed."</i> <br /><br />No on the first bit. As for the second, well...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-13713004204272719322012-02-26T06:36:45.788+00:002012-02-26T06:36:45.788+00:00"So you can see how the misunderstanding migh...<i>"So you can see how the misunderstanding might have arisen."</i> <br /><br />Surely those bright, switched-on students don't believe a word the government says..? ;)<br /><br /><i>"But as they are having to deal with "targets and top down (and sometimes passed on by 'word of mouth' - because we don't want some things committed to print, and we want to be able to deny that certain 'policies' are being operated ..) direction on "how to treat people"..."</i> <br /><br />Oh, I've no doubt it's as shambolically run as most other government services.<br /><br />But note that, when this is brought up in comments, the author's quick to claim he doesn't blame the poor, harassed public servants! For a newcomer to CiF he sure has all the ground rules down pat.<br /><br /><i>"24 and already he's learning what government is really like. Morons with power bossing us around."</i> <br /><br />Indeed!<br /><br /><i>"...but instead of whinging to the student rag should perhaps learn a healthy contempt for most public servants. "</i><br /><br />I suspect his moderator has had a word in his shell-like about that.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-50339935085807954862012-02-26T01:25:31.417+00:002012-02-26T01:25:31.417+00:00"I've certainly been at conferences where..."I've certainly been at conferences where employers carped like billy-oh that they couldn't get science graduates, and yet here they are being offered one and there are no takers."<br /><br />If they have a real science job that needs science graduates, they're probably not advertising it in the job centre. This is probably the job centre staff didn't believe that our boy had a degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-67633632059368983682012-02-26T01:05:55.818+00:002012-02-26T01:05:55.818+00:00re Anon 00:05
"So you think the government ...re Anon 00:05 <br /><br />"So you think the government is doing ok and its his fault he is unemployed".<br /><br />I've reread the original post and reread all the comments leading up to yours ... and have to now ask, did you? No really, it is a serious question ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-61347533244017534432012-02-26T00:05:22.869+00:002012-02-26T00:05:22.869+00:00So you think the government is doing ok and its hi...So you think the government is doing ok and its his fault he is unemployed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-55474754812382810632012-02-25T23:35:26.337+00:002012-02-25T23:35:26.337+00:00It's not good, though, is it? He took a vaguel...It's not good, though, is it? He took a vaguely-sensible degree and doesn't appear to be able to get anything at all. <br /><br />I've certainly been at conferences where employers carped like billy-oh that they couldn't get science graduates, and yet here they are being offered one and there are no takers.<br /><br />My only reservation is that looking at the syllabus, I'm not sure if this counts as a hard scratch-a-window science which would appeal to employers.Woman on a Rafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897415591130901416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-38278241315579203572012-02-25T22:20:39.108+00:002012-02-25T22:20:39.108+00:00Agreed that job centres are crap, and worse that t...Agreed that job centres are crap, and worse that the ones who 'interview' those who come into their offices frequently act in a superior way because, hey, they have a job already and the applicants don't.<br /><br />So, sympathy there, but the line: "The government is bullying the unemployed, and is inciting hate towards us" is laughable.<br /><br />It aids the government to have everybody working and paying taxes without having to pay out benefits, so I am not sure how bullying comes in. I may think this government is piss poor (and almost as bad as Liebore were in their 13 disastrous years in power) but they would prefer everyone to be working. Of course they have no clue how to go about it, but that's hardly bullying.<br /><br />However the author really gets my ire when he writes that the government is inciting hatred towards the unemployed. How exactly do they do that? Other than than as a noble, look-at-me-I'm-an-angry-leftwinger statement, it really isn't true. Yes, people are angry at the wasters who use any excuse to avoid work and demand huge benefits, but most of us have a genuine sympathy for those who want to work but haven't had a break yet. <br /><br />Oh, and by the way sunshine, saying you spend all your time online and with the Xbox doesn't garner much sympathy. I really, really don't care that you play mindless games all day long but I don't want to know about it.Albion lostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-17194036423783814192012-02-25T19:57:52.660+00:002012-02-25T19:57:52.660+00:00He sounds like an alright lad but instead of whing...He sounds like an alright lad but instead of whinging to the student rag should perhaps learn a healthy contempt for most public servants. <br /><br /> I got on the bus the other day at 12.30 and the guy who got on with me could hardly walk he was so mullered. He subsequently answered his phone and slurred that he was off to the job centre so I guess advisors have their beefs too. This seems like a decent enough lad who's the low hanging fruit to box off the stats - anyone who works at Maccy D's for a bit gets an interview.Dick the Prickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02683095612320513712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-55778974399897925252012-02-25T19:39:43.856+00:002012-02-25T19:39:43.856+00:00The Employment Office worker has managed to get hi...The Employment Office worker has managed to get himself a job. Enough said...blueknighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409655604657713593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-37152357399054872392012-02-25T19:39:39.328+00:002012-02-25T19:39:39.328+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.blueknighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409655604657713593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-3227638226970667892012-02-25T16:42:49.330+00:002012-02-25T16:42:49.330+00:00Actually, for once I have some sympathy with the o...Actually, for once I have some sympathy with the original. Anyone who has banged-up against one of these government androids probably deserves a medal for not having throttled him with his bare hands. <br /><br />In fact, from his tone, I'd say in a few years time this Gardianista is quite likely to become a fellow 'that government is best which governs least' type. <br /><br />24 and already he's learning what government is really like. Morons with power bossing us around.Uncle Badgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-19430292841190195402012-02-25T16:05:19.035+00:002012-02-25T16:05:19.035+00:00Whilst I would endorse nearly everything you say, ...Whilst I would endorse nearly everything you say, one of your comments stood out, sore thumb like :-<br /><br />"I don't know. Did you ask him?"<br /><br />which was soon followed with :-<br /><br />"Again, did you ask anyone to clarify?"<br /><br />which, whilst being eminently sensible, don't quite match the "flavour" of the interaction with ones "advisor" these days.<br /><br />It tends to be much more "I can spend 5 minutes with you, I've mapped out what is going to happen next, so shut up, and listen ..."<br /><br />Although to be fair to you, you did also include the comment :-<br /><br />"Again, not a fault of the system itself, but of the idiocy of the guy handling your case."<br /><br />Well maybe 50/50 - yes you can get an idiot or you can get someone who isn't an idiot, and maybe actually even cares a bit. But as they are having to deal with "targets and top down (and sometimes passed on by 'word of mouth' - because we don't want some things committed to print, and we want to be able to deny that certain 'policies' are being operated ..) direction on "how to treat people", so if they do actually spend time listening to you, it eats into the time they have to rtell you what you must do before seeing their next client, and could create an environment where they find it difficult to get you "on board with the plan for you", and of course, if you do try and insist on making your point, say as in 'I don't need that sort of experience, I was working for 30 years before my job disappeared, I know what the 'work habit/ethic is ..." you do risk getting a "difficult/very difficult customer" label on your file.<br /><br />The theory is fine, the implementation not so fine, and bullying doesn't have to be overt to actually be bullying, so I would view the term "voluntary" which is being bandied about with abandon as meaning slightly less than it implies ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-18191797753602590682012-02-25T15:52:36.594+00:002012-02-25T15:52:36.594+00:00... then people like this would know they have to ...... then people like this would know they have to sort things out for themselves.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-83962001387055280182012-02-25T15:51:53.503+00:002012-02-25T15:51:53.503+00:00Well yes, fair enough, but don't the politicia...Well yes, fair enough, but don't the politicians wander round telling everybody that they can fix everything for everyone, down to regulating what and how much you eat, drink or smoke?<br /><br />So you can see how the misunderstanding might have arisen. If the pol's were honest and said "The economy is f-ed, we have no idea how to fix it. But we don't want there to be mass social unrest so we'll chuck a bit of money at the unemployed so that they don't starve, if they can find a job, good luck to them but if not we'll neither promise them "work experience" nor force them to take it"?Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.com