tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post9194815389463876225..comments2024-03-28T16:59:30.099+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: Progressives Fight A Rearguard Action...JuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-13318818259976054292011-01-09T11:24:18.701+00:002011-01-09T11:24:18.701+00:00"As Smoking Hot points out. who listens to Va..."As Smoking Hot points out. who listens to Vaz anyway?"<br /><br />That would be the 'Vaz Deference' tendency!<br /><br />/me gets his coatSic Semper Tyrannishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04097405157868540910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-22931580704212981402011-01-09T06:05:37.150+00:002011-01-09T06:05:37.150+00:00" I very much doubt that Sikh's, Hindu...<i>" I very much doubt that Sikh's, Hindu's or even Pakistani Christians are happy about the constant mainstream use of the words Pakistani or Asian. "</i> <br /><br />They aren't. It's what leads to idiocies like Sikhs getting attacked after 9/11 due to morons confusing them with Muslims.<br /><br /><i>"Fair play to her. <br /><br />The BNP really should have taken down that sprig of Xmas holly a bit earlier."</i> <br /><br />:D<br /><br /><i>"Well well, even Jack Straw says there's a problem in the Pakistani community regarding these rings."</i> <br /><br />A more cynical leap aboard a potentially vote-winning bandwagon I've yet to see...<br /><br /><i>"...it isn't Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill/rape/censor you."</i><br /><br />It isn't, no indeed. It isn't...<br /><br /><i>"The lesson to be learned is that if you import people from one-goat villages, without making it plain that you will not tolerate medieval beliefs in a modern society, you will get problems."</i> <br /><br />Spot on!<br /><br /><i>"If I have one criticism of your post, it is that it may lead unsuspecting readers to suppose that Libby Brooks made her case without invoking the phrase "moral panic"."</i> <br /><br />Heh! :)<br /><br /><i>"...she has a least shown herself to be one jump ahead of the odious Keith Vaz MP, who still thinks that yelling 'negative stereotyping' at the reports this week passes for reasoned argument."</i> <br /><br />As Smoking Hot points out. who listens to Vaz anyway?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-13745897100138177942011-01-09T01:07:40.310+00:002011-01-09T01:07:40.310+00:00Mr Grumpy- Ms Brooks' failure to deploy the &#...Mr Grumpy- Ms Brooks' failure to deploy the 'moral panic' line is perhaps indicative of a realisation by the Guardianistas that <br />this trusty old trope is on its last legs.<br />If that is the case, she has a least shown herself to be one jump ahead of the odious Keith Vaz MP, who still thinks that yelling 'negative stereotyping' at the reports this week passes for reasoned argument.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-60179963592739939512011-01-08T22:45:50.411+00:002011-01-08T22:45:50.411+00:00If I have one criticism of your post, it is that i...If I have one criticism of your post, it is that it may lead unsuspecting readers to suppose that Libby Brooks made her case without invoking the phrase "moral panic". That is a profoundly unfair suggestion which could seriously jeopardize her position at the Guardian.Mr Grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317128956060393033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-73633985510349713062011-01-08T22:30:26.804+00:002011-01-08T22:30:26.804+00:00'inventing a category of "on-street groom...'inventing a category of "on-street grooming" that does not exist in law and was not recognised by any of the agencies I spoke to.'<br /><br />Can you credit it, 27 years on from 1984 it is still possible for a newspaper to invent a category without state permission! High time to make the use of Newspeak compulsory.Mr Grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317128956060393033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-28095147872151524202011-01-08T22:09:52.760+00:002011-01-08T22:09:52.760+00:00Excellent post. Newsnight eventually tiptoed ginge...Excellent post. Newsnight eventually tiptoed gingerly up to the suject.<br /><br />Don't know if you saw it but there was an interesting conclusion to the "Padma Patil" case of actress Afshan Azad. She called the police when her father and brother threatened to kill her, having fled the house in the belief they might go through with it.<br /><br />Azad then refused to appear in court, saying that she loved her father deeply but his strong accent made it difficult to understand what he was saying. <br /><br />The prosecution went ahead anyway with a minimal sentence for the father. The brother will be sentenced this month and is on bail on conditions.<br /><br />The story is either:<br />"actress makes things up about decent loving family who are then falsely convicted" or <br />"actress too afraid to testify and under pressure from her family to not-criminalize her kinfolk".<br /><br />Daily Mail <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340222/Harry-Potter-actress-beaten-branded-prostitute-brother-dating-man-Muslim.html" rel="nofollow">Daily Mail</a><br /><br />More technical explanation; despite the alleged severity of the assault and death-threats, the prosecution struggled when the key witness could only be forced in to court, if at all, by threats of legal action against her. As the police and CPS didn't do that, we can assume they thought that either they couldn't protect her from reprisals, or else they didn't think it would help any other women to step forward if they penalized her. That would, in effect, have sent a signal to all Muslim women to shut up because the law would punish them for complaining. <br /><br />From <a href="http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1400677_harry_potter_actress_afshan_azad_beaten_by_her_brother_over_friendship_with_nonmuslim_man" rel="nofollow">Manchester Evening News 20 Dec 2010</a><br /><br /><i>Richard Vardon QC, prosecuting, told the court: "The incident took place on Saturday 21st of May at the home address of the family on Beresford Road in Longsight, Manchester. The prosecution allegation in essence is she was the victim of a wholly unnecessary and unpleasant assault by her brother.<br /><br />"The reason for the assault, apparently her association with a Hindu young man, that apparently being disapproved of by her family who are Muslim. Specifically she spoke not only of assault but also threats to kill, made jointly by her father and brother."<br /><br />The prosecutor then gave details of the incident. "The father, having been awoken from his slumbers, with his son shouting: 'Sort out your daughter! She's a slag!' He continued to further assault her, in disputed Bengali, shouting, 'Just kill her!' The assault continued. There was a discussion where she was being called a prostitute."<br /><br />The threats to kill her apparently continued, the witness told police in a statement.<br /><br />Reading from the victim's statement, Mr Vardon added: "My father began saying he would do it, a reference to kill her, as he did not want his sons to have her blood on their hands and he would do time for it. Then she began to feel very scared." </i>Woman on a Rafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897415591130901416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-64576503399255004042011-01-08T15:29:20.698+00:002011-01-08T15:29:20.698+00:00It's not a religious issue, but a cultural one...It's not a <i>religious</i> issue, but a cultural one. There are plenty of Muslims capable of behaving.<br /><br />Problem is that <b>some</b> Pakistani families who moved over brought their village mores along with them for the ride, now in a truly multicultural society that would get stepped on pretty quickly - by all means retain some of your historic culture, but be prepared to snip the bits off that don't fit into your new nations culture.<br /><br />It features in a number of problems, such as the family elders taking care of who you vote for, who you marry and who you can associate with - and in some cases which type of acid they'll toss in your face for not obeying them, or what kind of bin bag your white boyfriends body parts will be discarded in.<br /><br />The 'progressives' - a misnomer since they're turning a blind eye to the kind of abuse they're usually dead against - find themselves in a tizz. They've spent so long conflating valid issues with outright racism, that when <i>they</i> find an issue they have find a big pile of denial to hide under as otherwise they'll have to pick between calling themselves a big, fat racist or admit there are genuine issues with integration that desperately need tackling.<br /><br />It isn't unique to Pakistani men, nor is it universal, but the attitudes towards to white women is fairly endemic. The lesson to be learned is that if you import people from one-goat villages, without making it plain that you will not tolerate medieval beliefs in a modern society, you will get problems.Eckersalldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683974531982922955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-48626328210216881472011-01-08T12:21:46.570+00:002011-01-08T12:21:46.570+00:00'Slim young women, out of reach until arranged...'Slim young women, out of reach until arranged marriage.<br /><br />'Slim young men, desperate for responsibility-free bonking before arranged marriage.<br /><br />So, could that be a potential problem?<br /><br />WV= Mingly = any sort of low quality community get together.Aisha dreamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-5741246137374258532011-01-08T12:17:20.828+00:002011-01-08T12:17:20.828+00:00As you allude, it really is like discussing "...As you allude, it really is like discussing "climate change" with these folks.<br /><br />Take George Monbigot for example - as we've seen recently, even when he's wrong he's right, apparently.<br /><br />And as much as I think the government massively exaggerates the "terrorist threat" (e.g. when it does things like making up ricin rings), it isn't Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill/rape/censor you.Katabasishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059375486530788092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-80368143000876528102011-01-08T12:07:35.289+00:002011-01-08T12:07:35.289+00:00Well well, even Jack Straw says there's a prob...Well well, even Jack Straw says there's a problem in the Pakistani community regarding these rings.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12141603<br /><br />but wait ... there's a politician saying he's wrong. Oh forget it, it's Keith Vaz.Smoking Hothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534745989363293923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-59494172725348402172011-01-08T11:36:45.814+00:002011-01-08T11:36:45.814+00:00Fair play to her.
The BNP really should have tak...Fair play to her. <br /><br />The BNP really should have taken down that sprig of Xmas holly a bit earlier. I de-hollyed my blog header on New Year's Eve.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-23638650580778664742011-01-08T11:00:05.183+00:002011-01-08T11:00:05.183+00:00Just blogged on this case myself. I very much doub...Just blogged on this case myself. I very much doubt that Sikh's, Hindu's or even Pakistani Christians are happy about the constant mainstream use of the words Pakistani or Asian. The problem is endemic in the Islamic world where women are seen as nothing more than cattle to punch out males and as second class citizens at best. Imagine how this world sees and treats non-Muslim women and you get an inkling into the mindset of these guys.Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.com