tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post5169224730631047123..comments2024-03-28T09:44:47.093+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: A Glimpse Into The Priorities Of Some Facets Of The Justice SystemJuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-1069175069069986452009-07-20T21:04:42.778+01:002009-07-20T21:04:42.778+01:00Not guilty and guilty are quite clear terms. £300,...Not guilty and guilty are quite clear terms. £300,000 is little compensation for the cost of proof that someone did not rape someone who lied to bring about a trail that finds the accused had told the truth. I hope that this man wins his case, the money helps him recover and his accuser is jailed. If she cannot afford to pay we all owe it to him to return his life to him. Trust me; it is not the authority’s fault that when a person lies to bring about a rape case the only person to blame is the lying accuser. They must be made to pay.<br />The tests are did the accuser lie? Did those lies leave the authorities with no choice but to follow procedure and charge? Was the accused found not guilty?<br />I see no reason why accused are named in respect of encouraging real victims coming forward. The authorities are quite capable of protecting the public interests. In fact anonymity for all until and if a guilty verdict is given can only encourage the facts are established and anything else encourages abuse of the system for all sorts of reasons other than a crime having being committed.<br />I believe regret is the greatest encouragement for women to make these claims both privately and sometimes officially. In so many ways society and the system supports women who, after the fact regret consensual but unplanned choices. It is simply not good enough to punish men and society because women who rightly enjoy more equality than ever before are encouraged to not take ownership and the responsibilities that come with those freedoms.<br />BTW I have net a few women who cherish thier freedom, accept responsibility, love thier friends but most....seem...just a bit out of control! There are a lot of men who are just big boys also.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00594481483171507584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-11669473732092282622009-07-18T15:12:21.748+01:002009-07-18T15:12:21.748+01:00"The system has to be fair and seen to be fai...<i>"The system has to be fair and seen to be fair. "</i> <br /><br />Agreed. At the moment, it isn't.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-30188554105050209632009-07-17T23:06:21.006+01:002009-07-17T23:06:21.006+01:00If 7 yr old cases are being pursued, no ome is saf...If 7 yr old cases are being pursued, no ome is safe. At least if the false report is made within a reasonable time period, there might be some evidence of what did or did not happen.<br />The system has to be fair and seen to be fair. There must be some legal redress for anyone that has been the victim of any kind of false crime report. Not just rapeblueknighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409655604657713593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-59735527719732188492009-07-17T17:02:12.503+01:002009-07-17T17:02:12.503+01:00"This really isn't a binary situation, an...<i>"This really isn't a binary situation, and rather highlights how our justice system badly needs an overhaul."</i> <br /><br />It does. In an attempt to put right some of the obvious injustices of the last few decades with regard to rape and women's rights, they've handed far too much of the whip hand to idealogues who are, frankly, far more dangerous than people realise...<br /><br /><i>"..explains a lot about why men become traffic wardens and their behaviour in the job."</i> <br /><br />Heh! I wasn't going to mention that, to spare the poor chap's blushes...<br /><br />But on the other hand, who would use that as a defence in court if it wasn't true?<br /><br /><i>"She was later sectioned for being a threat to herself.<br /><br />He had to redo the year."</i> <br /><br />Good grief!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-50737397640038095442009-07-17T16:58:02.768+01:002009-07-17T16:58:02.768+01:00"..which, by the way, is one of the sickest t...<i>"..which, by the way, is one of the sickest things that someone can dream up.."</i> <br /><br />And in the days of universal belief that if you <i>think</i> you have been a victim, then it follows that you <b>are</b>, so very easy to pull off...<br /><br /><i>"Womens Rights groups should be attacking THAT aspect of this case."</i> <br /><br />They should. But they won't, because they have too much vested now in their idealogy.<br /><br /><i>"In fact have not women taken out private prosecutions in cases where their attacker has been found not guilty in a criminal case? Why is it even an issue for the reverse to occur?"</i> <br /><br />Good point. Wasn't Ioworth Hoare, the lottery winner rapist, one such case? <br /><br />And it <i>shouldn't</i> be an issue, of course.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-80374071003009470262009-07-17T15:12:23.198+01:002009-07-17T15:12:23.198+01:00Rob
Of course I'm joking: the CPS will launch...Rob<br /><br />Of course I'm joking: the CPS will launch such a prosecution on the same day Brown admits lying about the "2,000 soldiers for Afghanistan" ie never.Umbongonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-73342334952487113162009-07-17T13:06:16.360+01:002009-07-17T13:06:16.360+01:00A friend of a friend when I was at university was ...A friend of a friend when I was at university was acussed of rape. He did six weeks in chokey before the CPS admitted to the court they had no physical evidence whatsoever. <br /><br />They had none because the only sexual assault he had carried out was to spurn her advances and then she made up the whole farrago to get back at him.<br /><br />She was examined by the police surgeon. There was no evidence of recent sexual intercourse much less co-erced or forced intercourse. But the wheels kept on turning. <br /><br />When it finally came before a judge he chucked it out in record time because the CPS had to admit they had nothing. Not only that but pretty much the entire medical faculty - both male and female - were prepared to testify she was a complete fantasist who had been stalking this guy for weeks. <br /><br />She was later sectioned for being a threat to herself. <br /><br />He had to redo the year.NickMhttp://www.countingcats.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-18711752681423164322009-07-17T11:12:16.883+01:002009-07-17T11:12:16.883+01:00"If her evidence was a load of lies (which is..."If her evidence was a load of lies (which is the implication of this story) why isn't the CPS prosecuting this woman for, at the very least, abusing the legal process and wasting police time."<br /><br />You are expecting the CPS to bring THE most political of prosecutions against this woman? You are joking, right? It would be the end of the career for whoever brought it. They would be slaughtered.Robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-50327476963335464832009-07-17T11:08:02.018+01:002009-07-17T11:08:02.018+01:00If her evidence was a load of lies (which is the i...If her evidence was a load of lies (which is the implication of this story) why isn't the CPS prosecuting this woman for, at the very least, abusing the legal process and wasting police time.<br /><br />BTW this from your quoted report <i>"Mr Hunt, whose civilian job was as a senior traffic warden, claimed he could not have raped his accuser as his manhood was 'abnormally small'"</i> explains a lot about why men become traffic wardens and their behaviour in the job.Umbongonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-35337061694064451972009-07-17T10:31:31.860+01:002009-07-17T10:31:31.860+01:00Rape is a horribly complex subject, and some victi...Rape is a horribly complex subject, and some victims don't report it for years, if it all, for any number of reasons, including personal shame, family reasons and a lack of faith in the justice system.<br /><br />And it's why I understand the reticence over suing accusers here - rape can be difficult to prove when it has occurred, and suing the accuser opens the prospect of genuine victims, for whom justice could not be given for whatever reason, being punished for simply standing up and making a complaint.<br /><br />Equally, there needs to be harsh punishment against those who do falsely cry rape.<br /><br />This really isn't a binary situation, and rather highlights how our justice system badly needs an overhaul. I wouldn't want to make this call, on the one hand you're denying the falsely accused a right to punish his lying accuser, on the other you're making victims who couldn't secure a conviction victims all over again.<br /><br />Damned if you do, damned if you don't.Eckersalldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683974531982922955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-42971620359094187282009-07-17T10:28:50.211+01:002009-07-17T10:28:50.211+01:00Another case where I hope they throw th ebook. Poo...Another case where I hope they throw th ebook. Poor man.<br /><br />Mind you, if she made it up, she must be a poor twisted case herself, though I'll admit she hasn't spent two years walking with her back to the walls and washing in a damn hurry to get out of the ablutions.North Northwesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10990919627286136085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-48641021906884282142009-07-17T10:03:26.961+01:002009-07-17T10:03:26.961+01:00Surely people who have been raped, but their attac...Surely people who have been raped, but their attacker has been found not guilty for whatever reason, stand a better chance in a civil case, as they only need to prove the case on the balance of probabilities, rather than beyond reasonable doubt. So by definition the only people who want to sue their accuser will be the innopcent ones? If you had escaped justice in the criminal courts, the last thing you would want to do would be bring it up again in a court with a lower standard of proof.<br /><br />In fact have not women taken out private prosecutions in cases where their attacker has been found not guilty in a criminal case? Why is it even an issue for the reverse to occur?sobersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-21526200665752189862009-07-17T09:52:00.000+01:002009-07-17T09:52:00.000+01:00Why would any woman wait 7 years to make a rape ch...Why would any woman wait 7 years to make a rape charge? Utter nonsense, it should have been thrown out straight away.<br /><br />I don't blame him for suing her. He spent time in prison and he will be labelled a rapist.<br /><br />I hope he wins. <br /><br />Women that falsely cry rape do harm to those who suffer such attacks.<br /><br />Instilling doubt on whether charges are made out of spite or for monetary compensation will damage the chances for genuine convictions. <br /><br />Womens Rights groups should be attacking THAT aspect of this case.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165615283953837706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-80197498134656656622009-07-17T09:43:36.928+01:002009-07-17T09:43:36.928+01:00Absolutely unbelievable. How dare people deny jus...Absolutely unbelievable. How dare people deny justice to anyone falsely accused of rape (which, by the way, is one of the sickest things that someone can dream up).Letters From A Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14612766550608940053noreply@blogger.com