tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post5972872093322691061..comments2024-03-29T11:13:00.338+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: Tough On Crime, Tough On…Hey, Is This Thing Even On? *Tap Tap*JuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-29607495781357504832009-09-11T15:15:06.191+01:002009-09-11T15:15:06.191+01:00"JUlia, do I understand it that you want ever...<i>"JUlia, do I understand it that you want everybody Plod randomly picks up for carrying a knife to suffer some very serious penalty? <br /><br />Simply for possession of a knife?"</i> <br /><br />No, that would be a nonsense. That's the sort of thing that leads to ridiculous cases like this chap <a href="http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4592410.Man_found_with_knife_at_station/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, where there's no evidence whatsoever that he intended to do anything with it.<br /><br />But I <i>very</i> much doubt that all of these cases here involve 'mini craft knives' forgotten in someone's pocket and seized on because the cops were disappointed not to find the drugs they were looking for either.<br /><br />And in those <b>other</b> cases I'd expect them not to be fined £1...<br /><br /><i>"Can I take it you are on the "ban everything" side of this then?"</i> <br /><br />No, and I'd expect the law <b>not</b> to be drawn so carelessly that a middle-aged engineer would sweat over a knife used for his work, while your average layabout yob wouldn't turn a hair about the carving knife stuck down his trousers, because a sob-story and 'social services roeports' would be enough to earn him leniency from someone like Bystander.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-8209726286256625032009-09-11T13:17:27.637+01:002009-09-11T13:17:27.637+01:00What Ian B said.What Ian B said.Weekend Yachtsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262853091154005651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-58405024621423991622009-09-11T13:14:06.611+01:002009-09-11T13:14:06.611+01:00JUlia, do I understand it that you want everybody ...JUlia, do I understand it that you want everybody Plod randomly picks up for carrying a knife to suffer some very serious penalty? Simply for possession of a knife?<br /><br />Would that include my friend, a middle aged engineer on duty, on his employer's private property (luckily; Plod didn't realise), who had his <i>toolbox</i> searched by random searching Plod, and when they found his Stanley knife tried to give him a caution?<br /><br />Can I take it you are on the "ban everything" side of this then?Ian Bhttp://www.countingcats.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-11994868007802478902009-09-11T13:12:02.063+01:002009-09-11T13:12:02.063+01:00"Less than 4 per cent of offenders receive a ..."Less than 4 per cent of offenders receive a fine for possession of a knife or offensive weapon, compared with 20 per cent who are immediately sent to jail." <br /><br />Um.... and the other 76 per cent?Ken Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-15166939572918214672009-09-11T11:57:25.099+01:002009-09-11T11:57:25.099+01:00"Too glib by far, Julia."
Not 'gli...<i>"Too glib by far, Julia."</i> <br /><br />Not 'glib' at all. It's my deeply held opinion. Just as much as your leanings towards bleeding-heart compassion (evident in your blog) are yours.<br /><br /><i>"To do justice a court has to look at all the circumstances..."</i> <br /><br />In other words 'we know best, how dare those little people and jumped up politicians think they can have a say...'<br /><br /><i>"It is cheap to say that 'I would say that' because I am in the system. I have put 24 years unpaid work into the 'system'..."</i> <br /><br />Cheap it may be, but it is also true. Perhaps you've been at it too long, and become institutionalised. <br /><br />Does any self-doubt about whether you are doing the right thing and making a better society ever cross your mind?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-64552799927009988122009-09-11T11:52:23.677+01:002009-09-11T11:52:23.677+01:00Too glib by far, Julia. All offences vary enormous...Too glib by far, Julia. All offences vary enormously, be they property or violence related. To do justice a court has to look at all the circumstances, drawing on its experience and training, and taking legal guidance from the clerk. <br />It is cheap to say that 'I would say that' because I am in the system. I have put 24 years unpaid work into the 'system' and along with my colleagues my primary motivation is justice. That needs careful and dispassionate consideration, not just yelling slogans.Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-58382703656018079462009-09-11T11:43:45.515+01:002009-09-11T11:43:45.515+01:00"It´s worse than you think!"
*rolls eye...<i>"It´s worse than you think!"</i><br /><br />*rolls eyes* Great. Just <i>great</i>...<br /><br /><i>"Every case turns on its own facts, and courts are there to place offences on the scale and deal with them accordingly. "</i> <br /><br />Well, yes, Bystander but then, as part of that system, you <i>would</i> say that, wouldn't you?<br /><br />And as for the alternative meaning 'injustice', well, what on earth do you think we <i>currently</i> have?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-68970141673470389242009-09-11T10:16:43.987+01:002009-09-11T10:16:43.987+01:00Every case turns on its own facts, and courts are ...Every case turns on its own facts, and courts are there to place offences on the scale and deal with them accordingly. The alternative would be a sentencing robot without discretion, and that would mean injustice.Bystander https://www.blogger.com/profile/10211688955428527960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-29700771412204218342009-09-11T10:16:25.162+01:002009-09-11T10:16:25.162+01:00It´s worse than you think!<a href="http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/126475" rel="nofollow">It´s worse than you think!</a>Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165615283953837706noreply@blogger.com