tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post6962960566795638012..comments2024-03-28T05:11:45.745+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: Softly, Softly, Catchee Monkee Public…JuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-17736780346031605852009-11-20T09:16:26.816+00:002009-11-20T09:16:26.816+00:00First of all I'm not posing as a grand inquisi...First of all I'm not posing as a grand inquisitor – I asking you a civil question on a blog.<br /><br />No matter, It's a dead thread and I'd have let it pass but for this remark:<br /><br />"A duty to interpret and explain the words of men is the province of Teachers and Judges."<br /><br />Are you saying that only capital T teachers and capital J judges are the only ones who's province is to "interpret and explain the words of men"? That people who aren't capital T teachers and capital J judges cannot teach or judge the words of men?<br /><br />If you are, then that's a position at some variance to my view that all of us have duty to teach and judge. <br /><br />In fact I consider your view to be - if I am interpreting you correctly, quite monstrous. Mind you most greenies have views like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-16699229905880302132009-11-20T05:45:48.781+00:002009-11-20T05:45:48.781+00:00"86% of us want a referendum on the EU accord...<i>"86% of us want a referendum on the EU according to the Daily Express, but I can't see any politicians giving in to that pressure either."</i> <br /><br />And there's the death penalty debate too....<br /><br /><i>"I'm kinda sorry about link spamming your blog Julia."</i> <br /><br />No need to be - they are fascinating sites!<br /><br /><i>"Since politicians mainly talk to other politicians such bubbles of thought are common. I hope and believe that this misunderstanding will soon pass."</i> <br /><br />I wouldn't bet on it...<br /><br /><i>"There is no "debate" on MMGW and never has been. "</i> <br /><br />No 'consensus' either, despite what we are continually told...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-45583964357837167582009-11-19T19:52:03.414+00:002009-11-19T19:52:03.414+00:00Dear Davidncl,
I am sure there is no intention on...Dear Davidncl,<br /><br />I am sure there is no intention on your part to play Grand Inquisitor. Allow me to say that men are firstly accountable to themselves for their own words and may justly elect to ignore distorted versions of what was either said or meant. A duty to interpret and explain the words of men is the province of Teachers and Judges.<br /><br />The honest are not obliged to take up positions of convenience to others and true men will not be heckled into doing so.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-14554070806747681072009-11-19T17:34:28.436+00:002009-11-19T17:34:28.436+00:00The straw man in this case is the assertion that &...The straw man in this case is the assertion that "some maniacal polluter out there is itching to make a case for copying China with a return to the Great Smog and cheap fuel of the 50's" which is a "distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version" of the sceptical position or what a sceptic would support (ie a straw man argument). But your pedanticism aside, davidncl makes my point rather more elegantly than me. We eagerly await your response.Umbongonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-65648550787262259142009-11-19T16:57:58.245+00:002009-11-19T16:57:58.245+00:00MTG, I'm not suggesting that you personally ar...MTG, I'm not suggesting that you personally are making any claim "that we return to the Stone Age". However it's true that many well renowned greens make such statements: <br /><br /><br />"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"<br /><br />- Maurice Strong,<br />founder of the UN Environment Programme<br /><br /><br />There's so much more of this kind of stuff exposing the desires of those behind the green movement. <br /><br />And on panic:<br /><br />"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."<br /><br />- Sir John Houghton,<br />first chairman of IPCC<br /><br />So, MTG, would you align yourself with those sort of remarks, or repudiate them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-26162390806063251622009-11-19T15:30:03.083+00:002009-11-19T15:30:03.083+00:00Since you take much refuge in your frequent use of...Since you take much refuge in your frequent use of it, I trust you understand what is meant by a straw man fallacy, Umbongo. <br /><br />If your your obvious discomfort is solely attributable to finding no inaccuracies amongst my comments, I owe you no apology for the irritation of a lengthy search.<br /><br />I give no cause for panic, nor do I have a finger on any button of your imagination. It was more outrageous to claim I have ever suggested that we return to the Stone Age. The statement "we're all going to die of MMGW" - was yours entirely. Furthermore, I never implied such a prediction.<br /><br />The only assumption I made Umbongo - which I now feel obliged to withdraw, is your understanding of what is meant by a straw man fallacy.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-24812779453809976132009-11-19T11:42:58.793+00:002009-11-19T11:42:58.793+00:00MTG deploys the straw-man defence of the warmists ...MTG deploys the straw-man defence of the warmists to perfection ie because smoke pollution control was delayed, we're all going to die of MMGW. That's it - the debate's over. Not a particularly convincing argument but, there again, you play the hand that you're dealt.<br /><br />After all, an appeal to proper scientific enquiry finds the warmist arguments increasingly threadbare. There is no "debate" on MMGW and never has been. Hysteria and panic-creation (disgracefully connived at by the MSM, particularly the BBC) are so much more persuasive. So, MTG, keep your finger on the panic button. I'm sure you'll be happy as the West bounces into the Stone Age.Umbongonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-78871703299380825282009-11-19T09:18:41.684+00:002009-11-19T09:18:41.684+00:00The Great Industrial and Social Resistance to care...The Great Industrial and Social Resistance to care for the environment/climate is nothing new. Throughout a dogmatic reign it has always taken a great Plague, a Great Fire, a Stinking Dead Thames or a Cholera epidemic to finally get things moving. I have no doubt that some maniacal polluter out there is itching to make a case for copying China with a return to the Great Smog and cheap fuel of the 50's.<br /><br />BTW smoke control was available in the 19th century but social resistance prevented its application. The anti-smoke lobby failed to get more effective laws through parliament but kept the issue in the public mind. Industry labelled the lobbyists 'nutters' and cried implementation would bankrupt the Nation. It took generations of debate and cajoling before stricter smoke abatement laws were generally acceptable.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-92108463093944678182009-11-19T09:11:29.131+00:002009-11-19T09:11:29.131+00:00I suspect that a large number, even a majority, of...I suspect that a large number, even a majority, of politicians expressing support for the AGM hypothesis do so under the misapprehension that this will make them more popular. Since politicians mainly talk to other politicians such bubbles of thought are common. I hope and believe that this misunderstanding will soon pass.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-29048931117056276622009-11-19T09:11:03.618+00:002009-11-19T09:11:03.618+00:00The (infomed) public have long seen through the AG...The (infomed) public have long seen through the AGW lies but that matters not a jot 'cos the pollitical classes are going to go down the green route and put the lights out.<br /><br />The green movement is part of a broader momvement which can be broadly characterised as "the forces of the counter enlightenment". Who funds and pays for it? What are their long term objectives?<br /><br />Some good scary quotes here: <br /><br /><a href="http://green-agenda.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">The Green Agenda</a><br /><br />and detailed analysis of the ties between the greens and facsism here:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ecofascism.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">How green is your Nazi</a><br /><br />(I'm kinda sorry about link spamming your blog Julia. But in my defence none of this stuff is by me. I just think they're great resources which deserve wide attention).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-71560484050509863222009-11-19T08:51:08.234+00:002009-11-19T08:51:08.234+00:00As a carbon-based life form, I have to say the wor...As a carbon-based life form, I have to say the word 'de-carbonise' makes me a little uncomfortable.Gibby Haynesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-9373895104820944792009-11-19T08:49:55.436+00:002009-11-19T08:49:55.436+00:00"Ultimately, we'll only achieve a good fu..."Ultimately, we'll only achieve a good future if people want to get there."<br /><br />86% of us want a referendum on the EU according to the Daily Express, but I can't see any politicians giving in to that pressure either.Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-40997940269487735352009-11-19T08:46:10.195+00:002009-11-19T08:46:10.195+00:00The public dont, by and large,believe this, and th...The public dont, by and large,believe this, and the "settled science" keeps falling apart.People do eventually get the idea of a tax/money making scam being done to them regardless how "softly-softly" the approach.<br />Who is getting money from this scam, and who is getting poorer?<br /><br />D.Apogeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942349358439102449noreply@blogger.com