tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post7575538521428261603..comments2024-03-29T05:21:11.278+00:00Comments on Ambush Predator: Inspector Gadget's 'Col Jessop' Moment...JuliaMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-38332693664207664512012-10-23T06:03:11.402+01:002012-10-23T06:03:11.402+01:00I admire self control and professional detachment,...I admire self control and professional detachment, Jaded. Your expertise has been pivotal in establishing a new level for police PR and I can pay you no greater compliment than confess my support for your promotion to Public Relations Director.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-35028444337000744192012-10-22T21:14:49.996+01:002012-10-22T21:14:49.996+01:00Let me check Melvin-am I bothered in the slightest...Let me check Melvin-am I bothered in the slightest about your opinion of me? No-not bothered.<br />Jaded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-2983072058429021642012-10-22T20:58:40.882+01:002012-10-22T20:58:40.882+01:00Parliament's law machine is profit-driven and ...Parliament's law machine is profit-driven and shares nothing with 'the rules that are written in decent people's hearts'.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-81365195092915635942012-10-22T19:50:46.945+01:002012-10-22T19:50:46.945+01:00Bill,
Fair enough.
The rules laid down by the p...Bill,<br /><br />Fair enough. <br /><br />The rules laid down by the patliament which rules our parliament says they cannot take DNA willy nilly.<br /><br />The things that I pointed out that I think law should be based on are not 'just rules written by parliament'. <br /><br />They are the rules that are written in decent people's hearts, and no amount of state hectoring will ever completely remove them. The state knows this, and that is why I fear for the future.Noggin the Nognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-53589107376655590572012-10-22T19:40:40.604+01:002012-10-22T19:40:40.604+01:00Noggin,
Strangely I agree with a lot of your post...Noggin,<br /><br />Strangely I agree with a lot of your post above.<br /><br />My point was laws have nothing to do with , "immutable morals, absolute truth, common sense, traditional notions of right and wrong", they are just a set of rules written by parliament. The rules at the moment say they can take DNA ,as you say the rules could be different tomorrow.<br /><br />I understand why you are worried about government power over an individual and I have my concerns as well its just DNA isnt one of them.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-7115379705085406012012-10-22T18:32:08.788+01:002012-10-22T18:32:08.788+01:00Jaded,
How can they possibly be 'in the right...Jaded,<br /><br />How can they possibly be 'in the right'?<br /><br />Bill,<br /><br />The Home Office is also acting illegally. <br /><br />The problems with this DNA lark are manifold. As it is viewed as incontrovertible evidence by juries, plod gets lazy with other evidence. Plod has been known to plant evidence, and suppress contradicting evidence. Even when the evidence itself may be sound, storage and handling can lead to cross-contamination. Criminals know these things and deliberately plant other people's DNA at crime scenes.<br /><br />The above are ifs and buts, but the thing that concerns me most is the way the law is increasingly being used as a weapon against those who fall foul of the Gov's latest social engineering policies. An example would be the fact that English law had, for centuries, considered homosexuality to be a crime. 60 years ago, people went to prison for it. Now people go to prison for saying that they think it is disgusting. If a crime can become a virtue in the eyes of the law, in just 60 years, what else wil become criminal that is legal today?<br /><br />If the law is based on the whims and fancies of the criminals who write it, namely Parliamentarians, and not on things like the consensus of the people being governed by it, immutable morals, absolute truth, common sense, traditional notions of right and wrong, etc, how can I trust it not to classify me as criminal at some point in the future, simply for continuing to do or think or say something that today is perfectly legal?<br /><br />When scum like Blair, Brown Cameron, et al, get to decide what is right and wrong and who will be imprisoned for disagreeing, I want to do all in my power to make it as difficult as possible for them to succeed. So should you. <br /><br />As Julia has said, if you feel that strongly about it, volunteer your DNA to plod. And your children's, and their children's, safe in the knowledge that neither this Government nor any in the future would ever think of abusing such enormous power.<br /><br />Noggin the Nognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-1833872782456361802012-10-22T18:18:07.011+01:002012-10-22T18:18:07.011+01:00"A professional hater.I wonder who contacted ..."A professional hater.I wonder who contacted whom?"<br /><br />You are a nasty piece of work, Jaded. In any event this is none of your business.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-77428100489537395472012-10-22T17:15:40.280+01:002012-10-22T17:15:40.280+01:00Sophie Khan has taken his case.A professional hate...Sophie Khan has taken his case.A professional hater.I wonder who contacted whom?<br />If Lancs police are in the wrong they will settle to save a court case.<br />JadedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-37875689553452419492012-10-22T17:03:08.596+01:002012-10-22T17:03:08.596+01:00"I understand and accept the odd person might..."I understand and accept the odd person might get a shock when they don't deserve it"<br /><br />"I hope this bloke sues the copper till his bollocks drop off."<br /><br />I don't believe these thoughts are mutually. exclusive you can accept that friendly fire happens but that doesnt mean that people cant be held responsible when it doesBillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-21090040940140461062012-10-22T16:44:35.664+01:002012-10-22T16:44:35.664+01:00The reason I wouldn't mind my DNA being take...The reason I wouldn't mind my DNA being taken is it wouldn't effect me or intrude on my privacy.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-52073261628981721952012-10-22T16:37:02.674+01:002012-10-22T16:37:02.674+01:00http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/powers/dna-and...http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/powers/dna-and-fingerprints/<br /><br />Legal changes come through the home office until they instruct the police otherwise they will continue. to take DNA. Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-11205920557610194302012-10-22T15:10:38.078+01:002012-10-22T15:10:38.078+01:00The blind man in question has launched a claim aga...The blind man in question has launched a claim against the police, this will run and run.Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-53929891932272687802012-10-22T11:42:44.504+01:002012-10-22T11:42:44.504+01:00Had a quick flick through Mein Kampf last night.Th...Had a quick flick through Mein Kampf last night.There's a clear connection between Hitler taking DNA from householders who have shot burglars and gassing the Jews.<br />JadedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-53698388503923247992012-10-22T10:42:33.607+01:002012-10-22T10:42:33.607+01:00It is a brilliant argument against the arming of a...It is a brilliant argument against the arming of all police - as Blue Eyes points out, a Gadget obsession.<br /><br />Frankly, I'd be happier about a member of my family being tasered by accident than getting several 9mm doses of death due to negligence in the public service. Surreptitious Evilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393411103584747731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-411810558381928632012-10-22T10:12:34.718+01:002012-10-22T10:12:34.718+01:00"I understand and accept the odd person might..."I understand and accept the odd person might get a shock when they don't deserve it"<br /><br />Why thank you Inspector, that's mighty white of you.<br />I don't understand and don't accept, and I hope this bloke sues the copper till his bollocks drop off.Robert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-52713058515479699922012-10-22T08:25:47.920+01:002012-10-22T08:25:47.920+01:00@ Budvar
That she differentiates between Legal an...@ Budvar<br /><br />That she differentiates between Legal and Lawful may be too much to ask of Jaded. Yet even she could perceive the ocean separating Legal from Moral.MTGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-82093087084197210122012-10-22T05:41:41.728+01:002012-10-22T05:41:41.728+01:00"I would have no issue having my DNA taken......<i>"I would have no issue having my DNA taken..."</i><br /><br />Like 'I think people should pay higher taxes and I'd be delighted to do so!', I don't see anything stopping you from volunteering it. <br /><br />Just don't expect to have mine, eh?JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-26209595678648034102012-10-22T05:40:08.560+01:002012-10-22T05:40:08.560+01:00"Do you go on army blogs and encourage the so...<i>"Do you go on army blogs and encourage the soldiers to disobey orders? For example taking part in wars that have subsequent found to be illegal?"</i><br /><br />I think it's a bit much to expect soldiers to be psychic, and see which wars will later be deemed illegal, eh?<br /><br />Whereas the police have lost cases in the ECHR regarding DNA, and yet STILL continue to take it and retain it, unlawfully.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-35163412678994037282012-10-22T05:38:19.262+01:002012-10-22T05:38:19.262+01:00"At one stage I convinced myself that he was ...<i>"At one stage I convinced myself that he was acting, playing a role for the fun of winding up his readers. "</i> <br /><br />Oh, it would be comforting to think so, eh?<br /><br /><i>"...and the collateral damage is surely worth it."</i> <br /><br />I fear that is indeed the judgement call that's been made, in some circles.<br /><br /><i>"Getting boring and predictable Julia.<br /><br />Also I didn't like your barb at me about only "obeying orders"..."</i> <br /><br />Didn't you? Oh dear. <br /><br />Well, I hope the follow up comments from Budvar and noggin have shown you why it's (sadly) all too appropriate...<br /><br /><i>"There is no recovery from the dreadful situation that British Policing and therefore British Society is in."</i> <br /><br />I used to think there was a glimmer of hope the rot could be reversed. I'm not so sure any longer.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-50914492552989341802012-10-22T01:41:01.263+01:002012-10-22T01:41:01.263+01:00Jaded, you seem to mistaking the difference betwee...Jaded, you seem to mistaking the difference between the terms "Lawful" and "Legal". <br /><br />You see, forcing people to wear little yellow stars with the word "Juden" on them, was perfectly "legal". Taking businesses and property of people with little yellow stars and giving them to your friends was also perfectly "legal".<br />Rounding people up in the middle of the night, cramming them onto cattle trucks to "Work camps was all perfectly "Legal". As was lining them up at the side of a bloody great hole in the ground and shooting them in the back of the head, all "Legal".<br /><br />Was it "Lawful" though? The Nuremberg trials (Right and wrongs of this notwithstanding) would say not. <br /><br />The taking of DNA on the unconvicted may well be "Legal", but is it morally right, let alone "Lawful"?<br /><br />Tyranny doesn't start out gassing Jews, it's a gradual thing, you know like sewing little yellow stars on people, and who'd have thought 10 years down the line it would end up where it did?<br /><br />Where's your line in the sand? Will you be happy to follow orders to round up my wife and kids because it's "Legal"?<br /><br />Thing is, it's a sight easier to stand up and say no to things that are patently "Unlawful" than saying no once people are being rounded up and thrown onto cattle trucks, because to say no then risks having yourself and family rouned up also.<br /><br />Budvarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01411709142357622721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-27706408113027691832012-10-22T00:54:27.425+01:002012-10-22T00:54:27.425+01:00Well I think in the light of today's exchanges...Well I think in the light of today's exchanges we can assume that "protect and serve" rubric is more inward rather than outward looking ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-43256899591064661822012-10-21T23:30:48.349+01:002012-10-21T23:30:48.349+01:00'Have you read 1984'?
Ne ne nee ne neeeer...'Have you read 1984'?<br /><br />Ne ne nee ne neeeer! Fuck off twat.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-22479215706215195452012-10-21T22:20:44.075+01:002012-10-21T22:20:44.075+01:00Jaded,
I heard you the first time.
There is no ...Jaded,<br /><br />I heard you the first time. <br /><br />There is no abuse in my post. You called me a cock. Your'e not still bleating about me calling you a cunt, weeks ago, when you were being a cunt, are you?<br /><br />Hurt your wiccle feelings have I Jaded? Diddums.<br /><br />PS Have you read 1984?<br /><br />PPS I'm assuming you can actually read.Noggin the Nognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-72806999133104740732012-10-21T22:09:11.730+01:002012-10-21T22:09:11.730+01:00Get a life Noggin.I have a different opinion than ...Get a life Noggin.I have a different opinion than you on some issues.You have to accept it.<br />I try and express mine without swearing vilely or making racist and sweeping comments.<br />Jaded (speaking from a position of strength,from doing the job well for 23 years,from taking abuse constantly from know-it-alls like you).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627081175329856970.post-50998860139991722822012-10-21T22:09:11.345+01:002012-10-21T22:09:11.345+01:00Get a life Noggin.I have a different opinion than ...Get a life Noggin.I have a different opinion than you on some issues.You have to accept it.<br />I try and express mine without swearing vilely or making racist and sweeping comments.<br />Jaded (speaking from a position of strength,from doing the job well for 23 years,from taking abuse constantly from know-it-alls like you).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com