The temporary jobs, which offer thousands of pounds for work in the summer, are billed as the internships ‘that could change your life’.Not all students, oh no. Only the special ones.
They provide students with invaluable work experience at a time of soaring graduate unemployment.
But critics yesterday told of their anger at the decision by the Civil Service and the Metropolitan Police to exclude all but certain ethnic minorities from applying.It seems to come back to something Leg-Iron wrote about collecting people, rather than employing them.
The Metropolitan Police said: ‘This scheme assists us to understand the needs of the diverse communities we serve.’How?
A Cabinet Office spokesman said: ‘We think the Civil Service should represent the people we serve and we make no apology for that.’Anyone wonder just how they manage to say that sort of thing with a straight face?
And why is the government not getting a firm grip of its public servants, and ensuring that they are aware that this sort of this is counter-productive to true equality?
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Very frustrating trying to defend my organisation when they do outrageous things like this.....it undermines all the good work we do which goes mainly unreported.
Whenever I meet someone new and they ask what I do for a job it goes two ways A) Well done I couldn't do your job,how many dead bodies have you seen? or B) I got stopped for speeding in 1973 and the policeman was rude.
In the end I don't defend the actions of idiot colleagues.I try and turn it around.I say to them "if a plumber came round your house and did a bad job would you assume every plumber was bad?" So why after one bad experience do you assume all police are the same?
Jaded
Well the civil service surely works for us all which is 92% white. In London the Met serves around 70% white and 30% ethnic minority, give or take a few percent. Shouldn't these internships reflect this?
"the application form says only students from specific ethnic groups – including black African, black Asian or Chinese – can apply. Applicants are also quizzed about religious beliefs and sexuality."
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Ok people let's pretend we like them more, do them a couple of favours like actually paying them for work they do and screw as much information out of them as we can to further our agenda.
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Anyone else see the nice little bit of exploitation going on there ?
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It *almost* admits that they think effnicks too stupid to notice but those clever white people will. Beware greeks bearing gifts and all that...
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It's really quite simple - when you apply for a government job just say you are mixed race. I was not even considered for a government post until I put on my last application that I was asian mixed race. How are they going to check? DNA? Picture of your parents? It's a joke but you got to learn to play the system unfortunately. If you are really, really white just say your background is Traveller and you'll practically walk into a job.
- Robert Wamsays, Horsham,
This just reinforces the widespread and growing view that the indigenous population of the UK is becoming ever more irrelevant to the Establishment of the UK.
If discrimination on the basis of race, gender or age is a bad thing, then "positive discrimination" is a nonsense phrase. It makes about as much sense as "negative gravity" or "sympathetic rape."
What about railway modellers, or flower arrangers, or EDL members?
Should thexy not also be represented?
@Jaded: because there is not a National Plumber service sending plumbers to my house. So I know that ABC Plumbers is entirely unrelated to XYX Plumbing Co.
Whereas the Police force is a a national body, and is organised in large local groups, such that if you get a poor level of treatment in your particular area its not unreasonable to assume that attitude may pervade the entire local force.
When you factor in that the Common Purpose infected ACPO is in charge of all police forces, its not unfair to assume they are all as bad as each other.
What Jim said, with a couple of additions.
If I employ a plumber, and he does a bad job, I'll sue him and win, for a cost of less than £100.00.
If he continues to do a bad job for others, he'll go broke and out of business.
WHEN (not 'if') the Police do a bad job, I get locked up, beat up, pepper-sprayed, baton-charged and charged with assault.
I cannot sue them (well I could, but what's the point?) Even if I did, they get Not Guilty because the CPS drop the case.
BUt they won't go out of business, nor broke, will they?
And they wonder why EDL membership keeps growing. Truly they are sowing the seeds of civil war in the UK.
"The Metropolitan Police said: ‘This scheme assists us to understand the needs of the diverse communities we serve.’
... A Cabinet Office spokesman said: ‘We think the Civil Service should represent the people we serve..."
Presumably, they have decided that the people they serve, are the ethnic minorities. Ad opposed to the people they tax and prosecute, who are the majority.
Hello Jim, it is completely unfair to assume that we are all as bad as each other,that is a very crass statement.It proves my point exactly.
Hello Viking,please tell me about the time you were pepper-sprayed,beaten up etc.I'm sure it's not true and once again matches what I said about one bad experience predjucing you for ever.
On an average day the Met get about 12,000 calls.If you factor in face to face interaction as well I think it's remarkable how few complaints we get.Also a large percentage of the population hate us because we stop their criminal acts. Unlike plumbers ( I have nothing against plumbers,a fine bunch,I just used them as an example)
Jaded.
They are correct. As far as they are concerned, these are the people they serve, the people who matter.
White people don't form bonkers pressure groups based on race who know how to make the lives of state agents hell. We should, but we'd only be branded as Fascists by the establishment media and state.
Jaded, a sustained attack is made upon your pay, pensions and other conditions of service and forces are being told to make cuts and 'front line services will be cut and there's all sorts of bollocks being spouted about perks and back room functions etc etc YET the MPS has money for this load of old nonsense. It is OUTRAGEOUS. What is wrong with the police service in this country, its constant obsession with DIversity is sheer MADNESS. It is indefensible, kick those lazy bastards out of the Diversity Directorate and back onto Borough and start earning their money for once in their lives.
You can't blame the police or the rest of the State really. They are completely unaccountable to the public, so why give a fuck what people think? Organised activists and pressure groups, on the other hand, can dump a ton of bad publicity on your desk before you can say "celebrate diversity", so who would you concentrate your efforts on?
@Jaded: I don't assume that 'you are all as bad as each other'. I realise that most police men and women would like to do the right thing. But I also realise that the management of the police force is such that you are instructed to act in mad politically correct ways. Thus it matters little if the individual PC is a decent sort.
I know if I give some lippy chav a good slap for vandalising my car I'm the one that'll be arrested. I know that if I report some of my property stolen the best I'll get is a crime number to claim off my insurance. I know that whenever 'normal' people get involved with the police, they are the ones that will be targeted for arrest, because they are easy meat for the crime clear-up stats. I know that a career criminal has little to lose from being arrested - the courts will probably let him off, he'll get his benefits whatever. I on the other hand stand the chance of losing my job, my house, my career, everything.
So pardon my cynicism if I say (as a white law abiding middle class male who by all rights should be genetically encoded to be pro-police) that I avoid the police at all costs. I never report any crime, I walk by if I see anything happening, I wouldn't go to assist them either.
Its just not worth the candle these days to get involved.
I swear that all this crap took off after NuLabor reinvented racism, to stop people criticising their open door immigration policies.
Jim you make some good points. On the sentencing you are correct,not enough happens but that is down to the courts not us.Every single police officer wants harder sentences so I cant do much about that.
I said in my first post that the police as an organisation do stupid things that I wont defend.However the average PC like me tries really hard to make a difference.Unfortunately we are vastly outnumbered by chav scum.I'm sure if you met me off duty or otherwise you would think I am very nice chap.
Jaded
Jim: "Common Purpose infected ACPO "
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Common Purpose has infested our schools too. At my daughters parents evening the english teacher advised she excelled at the language skills so he was arranging her for take part in a course for pupils 4 years older "to learn how to use language to manipulate and control people".
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I raised an eyebrow and said...very carefully and a little sarcastically...that I thought it fascinating that a 12 year old was considered a suitable candidate for Linguistics. He smiled slowly and said "well it's the only way she will get on in life. She has real potential as a Young Leader."
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Hitler Youth in 2010. My grandfather would spin in his grave.
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I find your ACPO/Every police officer link tenuous at best though. Just because all the staff at my daughters school are doing their damndest to indoctrinate the children it does not follow that every child is... or can be...indoctrinated.
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You cannot make that assumption about every single police officer either.
"Very frustrating trying to defend my organisation when they do outrageous things like this..."
I think we all recognise that this is imposed from above.
It would be a help, though, if those who enthusiastically embrace it were shunned and ostracised by their colleagues. Too often, the 'pack mentality' closes in.
"Shouldn't these internships reflect this?"
Clearly they should. And yet some smaller council offices are overwhelmingly black and female.
Where's the 'representation' there?
"If discrimination on the basis of race, gender or age is a bad thing, then "positive discrimination" is a nonsense phrase. It makes about as much sense as "negative gravity" or "sympathetic rape.""
Spot on!
"Truly they are sowing the seeds of civil war in the UK."
It does seem that way, doesn't it. I can only assume it's because they believe they'd win.
"I swear that all this crap took off after NuLabor reinvented racism, to stop people criticising their open door immigration policies."
That's when it started to be more open, yes/. But I remember stuff from Mrs Thatcher's reign (albeit mostly from loony left councils).
"At my daughters parents evening the english teacher advised she excelled at the language skills so he was arranging her for take part in a course for pupils 4 years older "to learn how to use language to manipulate and control people". "
I'd have raised more than an eyebrow!
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That's when it started to be more open, yes/. But I remember stuff from Mrs Thatcher's reign (albeit mostly from loony left councils).XX
It started with the Race relations act 1976. On labours shift. As one would expect.
Julia it's very difficult in a disciplined organisation to disobey an order from above,despite how stupid or PC it is.I like my job and want to keep it.
I cringe every time I report a crime when the diversity questions kick in.
Jaded
JuliaM: I'd have raised more than an eyebrow!
I think he was blatantabout it because he thought me too stupid to understand what "Linguistics" meant so didn't just use the word. Where did he think my daughter got her genetic material/intelligence from ?
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A little update on it is she as asked to take part in a Young Leaders course last week but turned it down because she "couldn't be bovvered."
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See...clocks went back last weekend...nights are lighter...outdoor freedom beckons and hanging around with decent mates in the park at the top of our street (but avoiding trouble and straight home if any kicks off) is MUCH more appealing. Thank the gods !
I'll second Jim's post. Add to that a judicial system which seems to have two aims (firstly to return the crim to the streets with the maximum haste and minimum possible inconvenience to them, and secondly to act as a lucrative revenue stream for the legal mafia) and it's little wonder ordinary folk have given up on the police and court system.
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