Friday 8 June 2018

They Usually Don't Have Any Realistic Alternative, Do They?

Bedfordshire Deputy Chief Constable Garry Forsyth said that while he respected the jury's verdict, "people should think very carefully before taking any action themselves".
Well, when your police farce constantly send out signals that they can't rely on you, what are they to do?
The trial at Luton Crown Court had heard that after a burglary at their garage, the Baldwins went out to look for those responsible - whom they believed to be Irish travellers.
The pair came across a white van containing two police officers who had been on their way to investigate the break-in but were told to "stand down" following reports that Richard had a shotgun.
Wait, the police now won't attend to look bored and take a statement for the insurance because the victims might be armed?
Asked by BBC Three Counties Radio whether he would do it again, Richard said: "No, because hopefully this has made the police realise more has got to be done and they've got to take things seriously.
"I think it may have opened their eyes a little bit and they can see that local businesses and people need help."
It's hard not to see this as what it appears to be - a classic case of jury nullification. And another sign that the public trust in the police is being eroded to the point of invisibility.

A message that the Chief Con would do well to heed.
Mr Forsyth said he did not "underestimate how traumatic exposure to repeated criminality can be on victims of crime" and the police do "everything we can" to respond appropriately to reports of criminality.
Really? Is your idea of 'proportionality' to have one of your officers sneer at a victim of crime and demand they use only PC language when describing the perps?
Mr Baldwin made a number of calls to police regarding harassment of his family from the travelling community, but he claims they were ignored.
An officer also told him not to use racially offensive terms when referring to travellers.
No, Chief Con Forsyth has read these tea leaves, and he doesn't like what they portend, though he tries to kid himself otherwise:
He added: "Police officers and staff put their lives on the line every day in order to protect the public.
"Had this incident resulted in the death of one of our officers, or a member of the public, I do not believe the jury would have chosen to interpret the reasonableness and proportionality in such a way."
You can believe that. You may even be right. But you also may be very very wrong. Do you want to take that risk?

Not that you'll be taking it, from behind your desk. It'll be your officers on the street that will be the eventual losers. 

12 comments:

jack ketch said...

Whilst I sympathise with the verdict,I can't really applaud it.When all said and done, he went pikey hunting with a loaded shotgun and he fired it, so his licence has hopefully been revoked at least.

And as the coppers in the van were probably unarmed and unarmoured, of course they would have been told to stand down. Ordering unarmed men into tackle armed men isn't something any ranking officer should be doing as a matter of course. Stand the men down and send in the 'SWAT'.

MTG said...

Widespread carnage will be the price citizens pay for breaking free from the vice-like grip of the Crown and its plodservants. Ineffective policing and the collapse of law and order in our major cities, can only accelerate this nation towards unstoppable revolt. It may only require the slightest additional force exerted by an economic downturn, to acquire a critical mass.

Jaded clones and Penise clowns will scoff at such a prospect. For them, such an event is unimaginable and the inevitable and chilling view down the wrong end of a weapon will only convince them otherwise. An unstoppable tsunami and a sanguine finale awaits thousands of Crown servants before the same sweeps away the amoral craft of public service. Drastic action and military intervention can only follow lawless chaos. Ordinary citizens will be tossed into a wild spiral of violence; murderous and devastating as any event we have seen in Syria. There will be no turning back from Revolution but this nation is owed release from the choking grasp of a rotten Establishment. Should Westminster surprisingly survive intact, it will be a delight to see it taken down stone by stone and reassembled on Dartmoor as a permanent monument to corruption and Institutional depravity.

MTG

Anonymous said...

I’ll stop calling them pikeys when they stop theft, fraud, trespassing and fly tipping

Umbongo said...

Call me a pessimist but I suspect that it's only months away until the right to a jury trial is . . er . . . restricted to those cases receiving the imprimature of some state functionary who will certifiy that the "jury" comprises "approved" individuals and is appropriately "diverse". After all, it's fairly obvious that the Baldwins had broken the law as it stands. Unfortunately for the Common Purpose senior dildos in blue suits, the jury didn't think the "law" being enforced against members of an unprivileged class (ie hard-working, white, male, non-Moslem, non-"travelling" indigenes) was worthy of the name and acquitted accordingly.

Anonymous said...

Nice one Melvin. Keep taking the tablets, have to take them all to have an effect.
Jaded

Anonymous said...

Perhaps if the pockets had been doing 31 in a 30 limit, then the old Bill would have been down on them like a ton of bricks, eh, MTG?

Anonymous said...

Pikeys, not pockets. I can't even mock MTG, properly!

JuliaM said...

"...so his licence has hopefully been revoked at least."

I'd give him his guns back. I can't think of a better person to have them. :)

"And as the coppers in the van were probably unarmed and unarmoured, of course they would have been told to stand down. Ordering unarmed men into tackle armed men..."

But they weren't - they were going to investigate a burglary. The 'armed men' were the VICTIMS!

JuliaM said...

""


"Ineffective policing and the collapse of law and order in our major cities, can only accelerate this nation towards unstoppable revolt."

You usually talk a lot of nonsense. But this time, you may well be right.

"I’ll stop calling them pikeys when they stop theft, fraud, trespassing and fly tipping"

Spot on!

"Call me a pessimist but I suspect that it's only months away until the right to a jury trial is . . er . . . restricted..."

That might be the spur that's needed.

"Pikeys, not pockets. I can't even mock MTG, properly!"

LOL!

MTG said...

The majority of your blogging is confined to cutting and pasting the original ideas of others, JuliaM. I can live with your plagiarism as this provides your only opportunities to play school teacher...marking the 'homework' of imaginary pupils with irritatimg and condescending notes.

MTG

Anonymous said...

Melvin calling someone else condescending???. Anyone else see a problem here?
Commenting on this blog is voluntary MTG. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Jaded

MTG said...

I am an habitual reader of this blog, WC Jaded! The daily surf would indeed be dull were I to forego the treats served up by a certain 'lightening' wit and 'polisht' English, my dear.