Just about everyone claims to dislike Britain's binge-drinking culture.Translation: 'Just about everyone' = Joanie's fellow Puritans...
It's widely believed that the British, unlike the French, have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Supermarkets are full of cheap booze, bars lure passers-by inside with "happy hours" and our drinking culture is loutish and competitive.It's widely believed that AGW is a threat to our survival and there are panthers in our woods. Doesn't make it true.
It's all dreadful and somebody should do something about it...Aha! Nice to see someone issuing the hunting cry of the hot-blooded bansturbator again, eh?
...but that's where the agreement ends. Firm proposals to reduce alcohol consumption, such as those published yesterday by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice), are generally greeted with scepticism and even outrage.Well, yes. What did you expect? The proposals were torn to shreds by pretty much everyone with a brain because they were unworkable, unfair and possibly illegal under EU law.
Nice is advocating ... better screening for drink problems in the general population. The latter proposal means GPs taking the extraordinary step of asking patients about their drinking habits, an idea which has been greeted as though it's a massive and distasteful invasion of privacy.Because it is (as well as being a further imposition on doctors time that they could well do without). Who could argue agains...
Oh. You, of course:
(Do it, I say. And ask them about their weight while you're at it.)Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, eh, Joanie?
Public attitudes to drinking in the UK are confused, irrational and mixed up with other factors such as celebrity and class.Those stupid peasants! They refuse to listen to the one true wisdom imparted by their betters...
The public disapproves of alcoholism in general but is willing to make endless excuses for individuals such as the late George Best, who was romanticised even as his life was visibly being destroyed by drink.Because they recognise that it was his choice? And that taking away his choice 'for his own good' would be worse?
Lucky you have no such scruples, eh?
There is a semi-excuse for this: anyone over the age of 40 grew up thinking that half a bottle of wine with dinner each night qualified as "moderate" consumption, so it's a shock to look at up-to-date tables which show how small a single unit actually is.It's a shock because it's not true.
You don't have to drink seven pints a night to have a drink problem; a couple of large glasses of wine each evening adds up to several dozen units per week, way above "safe" limits for both men and women.Hmm, I note that, despite your slavering desire to control us all, you are cunning enough to put those scare quotes in there.
Because you are fully aware that those limits are pulled straight from the north end of a southbound bureacrat...
...the cultural norm is still to drink more than doctors recommend.That's the thing about recommendations, Joanie. You don't have to take them...
That makes it easy for sceptics to dismiss any attempt to tackle binge-drinking on the grounds that the medical establishment is much too cautious in its approach to alcohol. Why should "moderate" or "sensible" drinkers be affected by measures which clearly ought to be targeted on young people who regularly drink themselves legless?Why indeed?
It's true that the Nice recommendations would make booze more expensive for everyone...But there is an element of targeting here, since higher prices have the biggest impact on the heaviest drinkers and on young people, who spend a relatively high proportion of their income on alcohol. If the rest of us cut down as well, that would bring more health benefits, as well as reducing the cost to the NHS of drink-related illness.Aha, this is the 'Let's all pay more to stop others doing as they choose' argument, isn't it? Well, no thanks...
People who complain about the "nanny state" ignore the fact that alcoholism and other lifestyle conditions, such as obesity, place a huge burden on taxpayers.Which is more than offset by the amount pulled in by the Treasury in VAT and other taxes...
...some Labour MPs shy away from minimum-pricing because they see it as an imposition on their working-class constituents. The same people opposed the ban on smoking in public places, as though poor people's lives are so resistant to improvement that they have to be allowed to smoke and drink themselves to death.We have to save these people from themselves!
Cultural change is often most effectively brought about by legislation. Thirty years ago, people didn't think twice about drink-driving but a crack-down by the police has got even some of the worst offenders out of the habit.Yes, and the police did that by charging everyone driving a car with drink driving, even if not a drop had touched their lips, didn't they?
Oh, wait. No, of course not.
They targeted the offenders. The ones who were breaking the law. Just as drunken revellers causing damage and noise are breaking the law.
Strange how you seem to rule out targeting the people who cause the problems in favour of controlling everyone, isn't it?
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"poor people's lives are so resistant to improvement that they have to be allowed to smoke and drink themselves to death. "
That comment particularly scared me. Have to be allowed? Who the hell has the right to talk about what us poor people should be ALLOWED to do?
The phrase "up to date tables" got me. As if you can change reality simply by updating a table.
I thought I lived in a squalid rabbit hutch until I checked the latest tables. Imagine my surprise to discover I actually live in a palace! Long live Big Brother!
Good article.
Our attitudes to alcohol have nothing to do with legislation. France has far less loutish behaviour on the streets than we do at night, but even more relaxed drinking laws and lower taxes than we have.
The difference is in the culture. Getting drunk in France is just not seen as acceptable in the same way as it is here. It's seen as being out of control.
I remember being in a cafe at about 6pm when a dozen students arrived, and they all sat down and 1 of them had a beer. The rest had coffee, coke or mineral water. You just wouldn't get that scene here.
But the media's pretty hypocritical about alcohol. They moan about young people drinking, but have no problem with turning professional drunkards like George Best into folk heroes. The BBC go right along with the new puritans, except when you listen to Radio 1 when they're talking about how much they drunk the night before.
"It's widely believed that the British, unlike the French, have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol."
Where did that come from my experience of the French is they love their alcohol equally if not more on times than do the British. The difference is only in the way they behave when drunk. The French have a society that has not devalued it's standards of behaviour unlike the British and so deport themselves with greater decorum in public.
The problem is not the price of alcohol or the availability and the answer is not more regulation and laws to govern consumption. What is needed is to address the shocking breakdown of British society caused mainly be the nanny state leading to the removal of individual responsibility and the low standards of education that has been wrought by the failed comprehensive system.
I thought that an alcoholic was someone who drank more than their Doctor.
"That comment particularly scared me. Have to be allowed? Who the hell has the right to talk about what us poor people should be ALLOWED to do?"
It was a real 'mask slipping' incident, wasn't it?
"As if you can change reality simply by updating a table."
Not really well versed in reality, most of these people...
"But the media's pretty hypocritical about alcohol. They moan about young people drinking, but have no problem with turning professional drunkards like George Best into folk heroes."
I'm not sure George Best ever cause anyone but himself harm, though. He was human. That's probably why people liked him, in spite of his flaws.
"What is needed is to address the shocking breakdown of British society caused mainly be the nanny state leading to the removal of individual responsibility..."
Got it in one!
"I thought that an alcoholic was someone who drank more than their Doctor."
Perhaps they can compare notes when the NHS wheels out the form..? ;)
Nice filleting, Julia.
Yet again, the town centre culture is brought in as some kind of justification for minimum alcohol pricing.
There is no relation between the two WHATSOEVER.
I still can't believe how easily the public are being sucked into such a fatuous argument.
What DP said.
The one thing you can say for sure about the groovy bars where the yoof congregate is that they ain't cheap.
"I still can't believe how easily the public are being sucked into such a fatuous argument."
That's the depressing thing. Note the number of callers on radio shows who betray every bit as controlling an attitude as the quango staff and bansturbators...
"The one thing you can say for sure about the groovy bars where the yoof congregate is that they ain't cheap."
Quite!
Strange. What would this bloody thick pratt of a woman* make of me?
I got paid Tueseday. Since then I have drunk between 15 and 20 bottles of beer PER DAY. Later this afternoon I am off to play murderball against the Panzer grenadiers.
But SURELY...if drink is unhealthy....sould I not be laying in a hospital bed somewhere???
* I PRESUME Joan Smith IS a woman, and not some poncing T.V?
And Google hates me again...
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