Wednesday 2 January 2013

You'll Pardon Me If I Treat That With Scepticism?

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said Magag does not represent a ‘direct threat’ to the public.
Eh..? Then why's he under a Terrorism Order?
Magag travelled to Britain as a refugee aged 12.
His wife continues to live in a London council flat.
High Court documents detail how Magag, a married former train conductor and father of five, is closely linked to the Al-Shabaab group. He was arrested in 2007 after returning from an Al-Shabaab terrorist training camp he attended with Bilal Berjawi, a close friend. Magag was detained in Nairobi and found to be carrying three new mobile phones and over £3,000 cash.
While being held he tried to destroy phone numbers by eating a piece of paper. The following year, police in London stopped Magag and found he was carrying £1,000 in cash. Detectives believe the money was for terrorist associates.
He was also accused of sending associates to Somalia to join terrorist fighters by providing money, false passports and other documents.
You're having a laugh!
David Anderson, the independent reviewer of terror legislation, said no security measure is ‘foolproof’.
He said experts believe there may be 50 British fighters in Somalia, adding: ‘Worst case, there could now be one more – an influential one.’
Speaking about T-Pims, he said: ‘The only sure way to prevent absconding is to lock people in a high-security prison.’
Or perhaps we could deport them back to Somalia?

17 comments:

Robert the Biker said...

The secure way is to rub this piece of muslim shit out 'pour encourager les autres' as Napoleon said. Why do we tolerate the existance of people who hate us and wish to do us harm?

Umbongo said...

Call me old-fashioned but "control orders" or T-pims undermine the rule of law in the same way as do ASBOs. These procedures are used to penalise people outside "normal" processes of law. I'm sure that most of the people subject to T-pims or ASBOs thoroughly deserve to be so penalised. However, legal process is not just there for the crims, it's there for the vast majority of innocent people. Letting the authorities get away with "legal" punishment-lite damages all of us, not just the crims.

Accordingly, if the authorities have evidence that Magag has committed a crime, once recaptured, he should be brought to a jury trial. If found guilty he (and his family) should be on the plane to Somalia the same day. If not, then Magag and his family can continue - as I guess they do now - to be freely (and legally) parasitical on UK taxpayers for the rest of their misbegotten lives.

Batsby said...

Deport them? Are you mad? That would cost us £gazillions c.f. Abu Qatada! No, much cheaper to give them council houses and let them run their OWN training centres over here. After all, we are a world centre of excellence at breeding terrorists.

Fidel Cuntstruck said...

"Or perhaps we could deport them back to Somalia?"

Indeed!

Sans cash and mobile phones etc of course - those could contribute to the cost of the ticket.

Anonymous said...

Surely when he got his British citizenship, he had to swear loyalty to the UK.
As Al-Shaab is hostile to the UK he should lose his passport and go back to Somalia?

The Meissen Bison said...

'pour encourager les autres'
© Voltaire

Robert the Biker said...

The Meissen Bison said...
'pour encourager les autres'
© Voltaire
I believe he was quoting Napoleon, who recommended shooting an Admiral or two every now and again, 'to encourage the others'

Greencoat said...

The plane doesn't even need to land - out they go, head first onto the tarmac.

A victory roll and then home for tea.

Anonymous said...

Nope - Voltaire, following the execution of Admiral Byng. See the battle of Minorca etc (try Google. The only British admiral to be executed - pour encourager les autres!

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX If found guilty he (and his family) should be on the plane to Somalia the same day. XX

Yup. The RAF could use their C-130s (IF the "Government" has LEFT them with any) and drop him and all his scumbag mates off home.

"Splattered on the tarmac like a pound of rasperry jam."

Job finished.

The Meissen Bison said...

I believe he was quoting Napoleon

Voltaire (who died in 1778) must have been a bit of a naughty old plagiarist to nick a line from Napoleon (born in 1769)who can't have been more than nine and not really all that well known.

It was quite precocious of the nine year old Napoleon to refer to the execution of Admiral Byng in 1757, twelve years before his birth.

Anonymous said...

@ Robert the Biker
It is doubtful Napoleon uttered those words. Among other things, 'Voltaire' was a playwright and it is more likely he overheard the comment of unknown Brit who had referred to the injustice of Admiral Byng's execution.

The Meissen Bison said...

'Voltaire' was a playwright

Well yes, but not best remembered for his plays but more for his philosophical works surely and his position as one of the pillars of the French and broader European Enlightenment?

Napoleon, later, had a crack at European integration...

JuliaM said...

"Call me old-fashioned but "control orders" or T-pims undermine the rule of law in the same way as do ASBOs. "

Yup, no question, they are a fudge. I prefer Robert's solution. Just 'disappear' them.

What the hell do we pay MI6 for, anyway?

"Surely when he got his British citizenship, he had to swear loyalty to the UK."

I'm not sure we want to make that a condition, do we? I can't help but think a lot of home-grown citizens wouldn't pass that test!

"Napoleon, later, had a crack at European integration..."

Heh!

Robert the Biker said...

"Voltaire (who died in 1778) must have been a bit of a naughty old plagiarist to nick a line from Napoleon (born in 1769)who can't have been more than nine and not really all that well known."
Quite!
I cannot brain today
I has the dumb
: )

Fahrenheit211 said...

surely if you have immigrated to the UK, but have committed criminal offences or promoted terror or generally been a pain in the arse, then you are 'not condusive to the public good'. People who move to Britain and act in such ways, should be deported from the country forthwith.

I would however go one state further, and remove the citizenship from ANY Muslim, even those born in the UK, who belongs to listed jihadist groups, who promote Shariah Law or who act in other specified ways that damage our society. Yes, it is targetting Muslims for enforced statelessness, but like it or not Islam IS a problem and it is about time we as a nation started treating it as such.

Furor Teutonicus said...

XX . Yes, it is targetting Muslims for enforced statelessness XX

No it is not, because, if it is the same there as here, and in France, you will find 99% of them have DUAL nationality (Something which I would IMMEDIATELY ban any way).

Therefore, you are not making them stateless.