Wednesday 12 January 2011

"Fellas, ain't it great to be...a woman?"

Chris Elliot, the CiF reader’s editor, poses an interesting question:
How anti-women is the Guardian?
Huh?!?
This might seem an odd question for those brought up on the idea that the Guardian has always been associated with a feminist perspective
Well, quite. Only a complete fruit-loop could possibly suggest that…

Ah. Right:
However, some correspondents feel that the Guardian, in print and online, doesn't do enough to defend and promote women. "I am writing to complain about the sexism on Comment is free and the failure of the Guardian to acknowledge, or address, the lack of female commenters below the line and the predominance of anti-feminist and sexist male bloggers," wrote one correspondent who had prepared a spreadsheet with an analysis of the gender of the commenters.
A letter-writer. Who has been collating a spreadsheet. Ye gods, this is like taking seriously someone who writes to your letter column in green ink...
"The article, On rape, the left still doesn't get it, of 27 December, highlights this. In the first 50 comments, ie the front page, there are 28 identifiably male and five female posters. I have included only those who have stated their gender in profiles or posts."
Because they were being truthful. Right? After all, on the Internet, no-one knows you're a dog.
"However, unless one looks to the profile archive, the anonymous nature of posting hides this disparity. It is not obvious that there is no substantive contribution to this discussion by women. Many of the posters are habitually sexist commentators … the hostile culture women face on Comment is free must encourage their absence."
Ah, I see. If a comment isn't 100% in agreement with current feminist theory, the commenter is sexist. And a man. QED.
Naomi Wolf's article on 6 January, which argued that the women accusing men of rape should not have anonymity, brought forth this comment: "It is their fault [the Guardian]. They know this is manna from heaven to the Cif [Comment is free] mob. They are chief cheerleaders for the Daily Mail campaign against rape victims. They are providing a platform for the kind of propaganda that persuaded Dave that rape anonymity for defendants would be such a great first move for his government. And, meanwhile, the rape conviction rate stays exactly where it always was." Her solution would be to turn off the comments on issues that traditionally attract anti-women comments, such as those that relate to "men's rights", and be even tougher on moderating the comments.
The way to get more women to comment is to turn off the comments, so they...can't...comment...

I think I'm losing the will to live.
A regular reader of our letters page has also been counting. "Out of 12 letters published on 29 December 2010, only two were from women, of the five 'shorts' only one from a woman. Sadly my ongoing analysis of the letters page of the Guardian (and other thoughtful nationals) is that this is a relatively good day for women."
Another loon with a calculator and a notepad!

Note that there was no mention of quality there - just numbers. As long as there were equal numbers of letters in female to male ratio, it wouldn't matter if the males wrote searing critiques of foreign policy while the females contributed recipes for stroganoff, I suppose?

Oh, wait:
She goes so far as to suggest that before letters are selected they should be made gender neutral so that the editor would not know whether they came from a man or woman: "Universities have gone to the expense of making exam papers gender neutral before they are marked which has, curiously at a single stroke, improved the performance of women students."
*sigh*

And if the editor still selected mostly male letters, would you agree that maybe he wasn't selecting them by name, but by quality? Or would you find some other angle of attack?
The deputy letters editor said that he recognises there is a disparity but that there are many fewer letters written by women.
Well, what can he do about it? Get a staffer to write some?
He feels (and there are women who edit the letters page too) that this may be a reflection of a broader gender bias in society as a whole.
Of course it is...
Cif's editor has already written that Cif is "crucially, about both the articles and the comments" and has made it a priority in her first six months in the job to improve the nature of the debates on the site.
She said it was impossible to conclusively prove the sex of commenters, which made analysis difficult. But she is committed to encouraging diversity on the site. "I want a wider range of voices, especially more women, joining the debate, both writing and reading articles, and engaging with them."
You might have a complete abundance of women already, you dozy mare. You just don't know, because they are anonymous!
Our community guidelines ban sexism, and sexist comments are removed as soon as moderators are aware of them.
But not misandrist ones, oh, no...
"But," Cif's editor says, "it can also be important and productive to engage with, debate and challenge views you disagree with, and that is what Cif is about."
SNORK! Is it, hell...

9 comments:

Uncle Badger said...

The heavily censored CIF 'encouraging diversity? That's the funniest lie I've heard all week.

Like all Lefties, their definition of diversity is: including anything that we approve of.

Rob (not a woman) said...

They don't want diversity in what really matters, ideas.

PT Barnum said...

"Universities have gone to the expense of making exam papers gender neutral before they are marked which has, curiously at a single stroke, improved the performance of women students."

*Boggle*

Universities have adopted fully anonymised marking to prevent deliberate or unwitting assumptions about individual students swaying the marker. Nowt to do with being 'gender neutral' or any other kind of neutral except for sidestepping prejudices about the student (male, female or anything in between) who has been a lazy, irritating, absentee loud mouth.

Budvar said...

I take it the commenter who said "I have included only those who have stated their gender in profiles or posts.", all prefixed their comments with "As a feminist..." or the ubiquitous "As a gay man.."?

Then there's also those who start with "As a black man/woman..." or "As a Jew...". All very pertinent to the discussion of things like juice orange futures or the efficacy of caustic soda in clearing a blocked sink.

I've never had the need to state "As a white, Anglo-Saxon, denominationally protestant, misogynist male..." but perhaps I should start.

Feuillet said...

As a human being, Chinese, male, anti feminist, anti communist, anti socialist, anti racist, logical positivist, anti metaphysic, mathematical anti nominalist, anti mathematical platonist, anti mathematical anti nominalist, anti mathematical nominialist that is anti anti logical pluralist that is anti anti anti mathematical empiricism.

Wait, I forgot what am I supposed to write.

Woman on a Raft said...

What about people who might currently be male/female but shortly hope to be the other - where's the 'transition' category?

Discrimination, that's what it is.

Budvar said...

How about "As a mulatto, hermaphrodite, non-denominational, heterochromic, with an average IQ of precisely 100". I have no opinion one way or the other on the subject at hand..

English Viking said...

Women are usually preoccupied with bunny-rabbits and pussy-cats, else making their husband's dinner, to be able to take time to write a comment.

JuliaM said...

"Like all Lefties, their definition of diversity is: including anything that we approve of."

Spot on! As Rob points out, diversity of IDEAS is verboten at CiF...

"Universities have adopted fully anonymised marking to prevent deliberate or unwitting assumptions about individual students swaying the marker. Nowt to do with being 'gender neutral'..."

With these fanatics, it doesn't matter what the real reason was - the fact it helps them in some way is enough to categorise it as 'theirs'...

"I've never had the need to state "As a white, Anglo-Saxon, denominationally protestant, misogynist male..."..."

As far as most of these columnists and commentators are concerned, it's everyone's default state! Particularly if they are losing an argument.

"Wait, I forgot what am I supposed to write."

:D

"What about people who might currently be male/female but shortly hope to be the other - where's the 'transition' category? "

Oooh, if a transgender person ever shows up on a feminist thread, fireworks are guaranteed!

"Women are usually preoccupied with bunny-rabbits and pussy-cats, else making their husband's dinner, to be able to take time to write a comment."

:D