Rubbish and human waste has been left in a field where travellers had set up an illegal camp.Well, they know who they are, and they know where they've gone.
So I'm sure the council's flytipping team will be onto them right....this....minute!
*crickets*
It's going to be harder and harder for the useful idiots of this world to keep plugging the line that travellers are law-abiding, misunderstood, persecuted groups if their favourite pets keep crapping on the floor while the authorities suddenly look the other way and studiously avoid suggestions that their nose ought to be rubbed in it, isn't it?
*crickets*
It's going to be harder and harder for the useful idiots of this world to keep plugging the line that travellers are law-abiding, misunderstood, persecuted groups if their favourite pets keep crapping on the floor while the authorities suddenly look the other way and studiously avoid suggestions that their nose ought to be rubbed in it, isn't it?
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"Rubbish and human waste has been left in a field where travellers had set up an illegal camp."
Surely some mistake. The police are usually hot on this sort of thing.
So insisting that the law applies equally to all is "right-wing"?
And don't the feeble-minded fabianistas tolerate blatantly racist (and often genocidal) views when they come from certain ethnic minorities?
"Useful idiots" indeed. That woman clearly has no self awareness at all, having been totally trashed by you in a Twitter exchange she proceeds to post it on her blog.
Though TBH Julia I do not know how you had the patience you might as well have been having a conversation with a parrot by the look of it.
Perhaps it would be simplest to send the collected refuse round to Susan Craig's and require her to pay for processing it?
I've been following this story elsewhere; in what must surely be one of the least plausible defences ever, the travellers 'accused residents of dumping rubbish after they had left'.
That, presumably, would include the 'excrement and toilet roll [...] left in Salary Brook, which runs along the field’s boundary'.
Do they - or, more importantly their supporters - really expect us to believe that local householders head for the fields, toilet roll in hand, whenever nature calls?
"Rubbish and human waste has been left in a field where travellers had set up an illegal camp" ...
Whilst the rubbish & human waste who left it, have been allowed to move on without hinderance, to do the same again, somewhere else ..
I commented over there, and while I have no reason to suspect it won't pass moderation, I'll repeat it here;
“If this is true, why are 90% of planning applications made by Travellers in the UK refused by councils compared to 20% overall?”
Without seeing the planning application it is impossible to know for sure, but could it be that the Travellers community are more likely to put in a planning application on land that is considered unsuitable, or protected?
If I put in a planning application, it is likely to be for an extension on an existing property. A Traveller is – I would suggest – far more likely to put in a planning application to develop land they’re illegally occupying.
Perhaps a different approach is called for. If these travellers have left waste all over the place then we should give it back to them.
In the case of human excrement, I suggest we smother thier caravans with it, inside and out, as a penalty.
Rub the "useful idiots" noses in the human excrement left behind - that ought to concentrate their thought processes...
Susan Craig says that these people own the land they're camping. Is that true? Because it makes a big different to the claims of illegal occupation.
Travellers develop land without planning permission at Dale Farm and refuse to pay car parking tickets in Southend. Perhaps if they deigned to join the law-abiding majority in obeying the law, the majority who subsidise their lifestyle choices might not see them as law-breaking problems but as fellow citizens. Do they accept PPG2: Green Belts S 3.4 for example? Or Local Authority Development Plans which set out the conditions for obtaining change of use permission from agricultural to residential land? While prior development is not illegal, the travellers' habit of developing then applying retrospectively, isn't done with clean hands.
" .. isn't done with clean hands" ...
Ha ha .. you're as likely to stumble across a "Traveller" with clean hands, as you are to trip over a pile of Unicorn droppings ..
Julia,
I laughed when I saw that she considered you 'right-wing'.
If you're right-wing then I am positively Ghengis-like.
What a silly bint. Doubtless she doesn't live near the dirty pikeys.
The law needs to be toughened up. I undertand Ireland did just that and that is why we are suffering them over here.
When they finally move off they always leave the site in a shit state, which adds insult to injury.
As for that stupid woman, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.....
"As for that stupid woman, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see" ...
Or those who indulge their inate need to feel superior by latching onto a "pet" cause, however indefensible it might be ..
"So insisting that the law applies equally to all is "right-wing"?"
Apparently. Bonkers, eh?
"... having been totally trashed by you in a Twitter exchange she proceeds to post it on her blog."
She probably thinks she 'won'...
"Perhaps it would be simplest to send the collected refuse round to Susan Craig's and require her to pay for processing it?"
Now there's an idea! :)
"...in what must surely be one of the least plausible defences ever, the travellers 'accused residents of dumping rubbish after they had left'. "
They're eternally victims, in their own minds. Probably because, should they ever stop believing that...
"If I put in a planning application, it is likely to be for an extension on an existing property. A Traveller is – I would suggest – far more likely to put in a planning application to develop land they’re illegally occupying."
Another good misuse of statistics. Perhaps the 'Echo' should do some actual journalism and...
Nah! It'll never catch on.
"Susan Craig says that these people own the land they're camping. Is that true? Because it makes a big different to the claims of illegal occupation."
As Cowboy Online points out, it's the illegal development of the land that's the key.
"The law needs to be toughened up. I undertand Ireland did just that and that is why we are suffering them over here."
That's the UK for you - we seem to be the world's dustbin. Got a problem population? Drive them out! The UK will take them in.
Absolutely nothing changes,a few years ago i lived in Suffolk,Bury St Edmunds had a purpose built travellers site with toilet blocks ,and all the usual plugins ,its was completely trashed and anything that could be removed was,amazingly the council (at the tax payers expense of course) rebuilt it ,only for the same thing to happen again,anybody prosecuted ,arrested ,not a hope,next they are complaining about the lack of official sites in the area! this farce just goes on and on,as with so many things now ,gutless politicians and the PC brigade that live on another planet payed for by us do nothing about it.
@Anon08:47: exactly the same happened round our way about 15 years ago - local council set up a site for 'travellers' with pitches and all facilities. It was trashed within months. I think its abandoned now. At least the council gave up trying here.
And those cases prove the point - its not about providing pitches for people to camp short-term at all. Because once these 'traveller' camps get established, the travelling part seems to stop. We have one on the edge of town that was set up 30 years ago. It looks like a housing estate now. Not much travelling going on.
Its actually all about gaming the planning system to get what they want at the least expense, or even at other peoples expense via the council tax payer.
Actually thats in interesting point - if an illegal traveller camp gets official planning, they should then be paying council taxes. Does anyone have a site near them that has been recently formalised and could do a FOIA on the local authority?
Just because the Travellers want to stop travelling and become Residents until it suits them (or they have to move on to avoid paying taxes) does not mean they are wasteful.
They use almost all the things they pinch.
Well, I've partially answered my own question. Using this helpful database(http://www.voa.gov.uk/cti/InitS.asp?lcn=0) I discovered that a traveller site that got planning in my area is indeed on the council tax list. Whether anyone pays the council tax is another issue, but it has at least been valued.
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