Wednesday, 1 February 2012

So We Get Shot Of Harriet Harman & Vera Baird…

…and the system just rolls another one cut from the same cloth into place:
A senior prosecuting lawyer has hit out at prejudices surrounding sexual violence that may be causing juries to acquit a growing number of suspects in rape trials.

Alison Saunders, London's chief crown prosecutor, criticised myths and stereotypes and referred to remarks by Johnny Depp likening photo shoots to rape.
Yup, it’s the ‘We aren’t convicting enough men of rape!’ campaign, rolling right on as if nothing had happened…
She said : "One of the biggest challenges for the prosecution is to challenge jury assumptions that they bring to the trial. This is particularly true in cases where the victim and defendant are known to each other, or where the victim has consumed alcohol.

"Victims can be reticent to come forward for fear of being demonised in court and even in the media. As a society we need to be aware that these myths and stereotypes have the potential to influence court outcomes and ultimately lives."
Look, love, maybe it isn’t the ‘jury assumptions’ that are wrong, maybe it’s your assumption that if we'd just all ignore common sense and personal responsibility, and convict more of those bloody men, we'd be on the right track.

Have you ever, for one moment, considered that? Do you ever doubt your little crusade?
She also referred to Pirates Of The Caribbean star Johnny Depp, who told Vanity Fair: "You just feel like you're being raped somehow. Raped... It feels like a kind of weird... just weird."

The remarks were criticised by the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network which said that "being photographed in no way compares to rape".
No-one sensible would think it did. And so it’s hardly going to be influencing juries, is it?
Ms Saunders suggests that judge's directions to a jury on issues such as the need to avoid making false assumptions should be made earlier in a trial. The debate had to start outside the courtroom and could need a Government-led campaign.
Led by whom? No, no, don’t tell me, let me guess…

Meanwhile, over the water, a case* that will horrify Ms Saunders:
“I’ve seen you on TV. You’re so cute,” said the woman who would later accuse Greg Kelly of rape, according to a law-enforcement source.

The brunette crossed paths with the handsome “Good Day New York” host two days before the alleged attack.

“She stopped him,” the source said. “She told him she was star-struck.”

What followed was about 48 hours of marathon sexting ahead of their Saturday-night date at the South Street Seaport.

“The texts were explicit,” said the source. “They were sexual. They talked about what they wanted to do to each other.

“It was two days of foreplay.”
I’m sure she’d like to get these sort of details excluded from any UK trial as irrelevant. But they aren't, are they..?

*H/T: PJH via email


A salt and battered said...

Feel a political roadshow coming on, Ms Saunders?

You know, like the crusade by CPS Yorkshire, which visited all mosques and ethnic temples with St Neil Franklin at the van....making speeches of deliverance from white racists.

Anonymous said...

So more men are being acquitted are they? Hmm, maybe that is because, at last, the fact that women can and do lie is being recognised. The feminazis have had it all their way for so long now they seem to feel it's their right.

From personal experience I can testify that the courts view any statement made by a women as unimpeachable. The family court, where in almost every contested case the man is accused of either violence and/or being a pedophile, and is automatically assumed to be guilty until he proves himself innocent, is the feminists nirvana. Then, of course, she will be excused any punishment for making such a destructive accusation as she's a woman (and apparently they are allowed to make such statements anytime they please without fear of censure, whatever the trauma and damage they cause - sound familiar? rape accusation anyone).

My hope? That this rash of common sense spreads. I'm not holding my breath though, since the family court, as an example, is reliant on social workers and judges sitting in private with no oversight, leaving we 'disgusting males' no recourse to anything approaching justice. Now all we need is for women found to have falsely made such accusations to actually be punished (and no I don't mean some voluntary councilling and extra benefits, which seems to be most judges idea of female censure).

Captain Haddock said...

Mzzzz Saunders .. says it all really ..

I very much doubt she'd be raped if she walked naked through Portsmouth at chucking-out time on pay night, with a £50.00 note sellotaped to her forehead ..

Even "Jolly Jack", pissed as he might be retains some standards ..

I suspect she knows that too, maybe that's the root of her problem ..

Tattyfalarr said...

Commmon Sense dictates:

1) The gods gave Man a brain and a penis but not enough blood to run both at the same time.

2) Dickteasing can therefore be a very dangerous sport for both sexes. Never ever mix with alcohol.

Stay safe, ladies and gents...

Anonymous said...


Any further thoughts on the septuagenarian driveby in Lincolnshire, Julia?

Captain Haddock said...

"Any further thoughts on the septuagenarian driveby in Lincolnshire .... ? "

I live in Lincolnshire (though thank God, am not a native "Yellow Belly") .. believe me, there are some very "odd" people living in those Fen villages ..

You know the sort of places I mean .. where the changing of the traffic lights serves in lieu of a cinema .. ;)

blueknight said...

I get the impression that Mz Saunders does not 'like' men. In any sense of the word.

Captain Haddock said...

"I get the impression that Mz Saunders does not 'like' men. In any sense of the word" ...

We can only be grateful .. imagine having to waken up next to that ..

And I bet she "rolls her own", using liquorice papers .. or else smokes "Lardies" .. ;)

JuliaM said...

"Feel a political roadshow coming on, Ms Saunders? "

I suspect Saunders is ALL political roadshow, and nothing much else...

"So more men are being acquitted are they? Hmm, maybe that is because, at last, the fact that women can and do lie is being recognised. "

Her reasoning seems to be 'Juries aren't listening to the advice, so juries need more lecturing'. It never occurs to her that juries have listened, and dismissed it, like they are supposed to do with dodgy evidence....

"Any further thoughts on the septuagenarian driveby in Lincolnshire, Julia?"

Strange case - if they really were calling to remove his shotguns, I wonder what sparked it.

"I get the impression that Mz Saunders does not 'like' men. "

I wonder if she's related to the other infamous Saunders, he who decided to go nuts with a shotgun?

Surreptitious Evil said...

"Even "Jolly Jack", pissed as he might be retains some standards ..

? This would be the same Royal Navy whose run-ashore motto is "go ugly early" and rates women on the "bagger" scale (1 bag over her head, 2 bags - one on hers and one on yours in case the one on hers falls off etc.) One submarine XO of my acquaintance once claimed a "5-bagger" but he was probably exaggerating. Even considering it was in Helensburgh.