Police battling to prevent young Muslims heading to Syria to fight in the country's bitter civil war will gamble that they can persuade women in the community to inform on family members determined to head to the war zone.Yeah, good luck with that. Frankly, I’m in the camp that says we should encourage as many to go (and hope for it to be a one-way trip) as possible.
However, the authorities may have good reason for fearing the effects:
Counter-terrorism officers, fearful that some of those fighting in Syria will return to Britain radicalised with the ability to carry out violent acts on British soil …I’d say they were already radicalised. It’s not like there’s a need to go to Syria to hear inflammatory rhetoric, is it?
Asim Qureshi of the civil liberties group CAGE, said: "In light of the increasing hostile environment for British Muslims expressing sympathy for the plight of the Syrian people, CAGE is concerned that the police campaign has the potential to result in a McCarthyite witch hunt."
Qureshi continued: "We view this as a duplicitous attempt by the police to exploit the natural anxiety of mothers in the Muslim community to assist them in their counter-terrorism work."I’m thinking of taking up a collection to buy him a ticket.
14 comments:
Why bother?
Just put 5 grand bounty on each one, payable if they are killed by EITHER side in Syria.
Let's see how radical the pigfuckers are after THAT.
Insanity beyond insanity. People in the UK will suffer and die when the al-Nusra brigade opens a branch in Peckham or Dewsbury or wherever. It is only a matter of time.
"Civil liberties group Cage" : let it not be said that our fellow citizens of the totalitarian Islamic faction have failed to learn irony from their hosts.
Counter-terrorism officers, fearful that some of those fighting in Syria will return to Britain radicalised with the ability to carry out violent acts on British soil …
Oh noes!!
Well, here's a simple solution chaps, it's not beyond the wit of man to track these people along whichever route they take to end up in Syria - then simply stop them at their first point of exit from Syria on their return. Yes, yes, I know they can get new passports, change their appearance etc but we have retina and fingerprint scanners do we not?
Am I being cynical in thinking that Cage might be a fake charity and that the job of Asim Qureshi might be at risk if he fails to invent enough non existent problems to justify his post?
Stonyground
It seems to me that by letting so many Muslims into the UK is storing up considerable problems for the near and far future. Islam is still as doctrinaire as Christianity was in the middle ages. The transformation of Christian attitudes of unshakeable belief and strict adherence took many centuries to become a more tolerant religion and one that accepted criticism and that was only accomplished with a lot of conflict and bloodshed in the name of the Christian god. The acceleration of British Muslims from barbarian beliefs to more enlightened ones could have occurred and therefore diminished their threat domestically significantly if we had not allowed so many to come to the UK and to keep coming. Every new wave of Muslims who arrive brings with them a traditional entrenched form of Islam that undoes all the work that UK culture has done to soften it amongst Muslims who have lived here longer. This state of affairs can have only one outcome as the Muslim barbarians are at the borders of the country and they have a 5th column inside it.
I would have thought the idea was NOT to stop them leaving but to prevent their return - a 'you leave you don't get back' policy.
Oh, and if the kids leave just send the parents back to their originating country with returning being banned.
I support the opposite policy.
Provide free transport to Syria, to export as many radicals as possible.
AND, make it conditional that travellers relinquish all claim to future NHS services.
Bunny
As has been said before, let them go and then don't let them back again. Even better encourage as many to go as possible and ensure that the 'killing field' is not level or in their favour.
@ Antisthenes:-
The whole thing defies logic, unless seen through the lens of the EU's stated goal of 'the destruction of the nation state'. Islam is guaranteed to place great strain on the social fabric wherever it gets transplanted: the political nature of the Muslim faith (no 'render unto Caesar....' in the Koran)is pretty much a blueprint for the undermining and eventual destruction of the host entity. Not least the self-ghettoisation inherent in all the ritual purity laws, and the creation of parallel legal and social structures. After the collapse of Communism, there was no other real contender for the role of invasive and parasitical ideology.
So senior Police officers, aka, 'social workers in uniform' are asking the female members of the most misogynistic society on the face of the earth - one which thinks so highly of their womenfolk that they actively embrace child marriage and marital rape - to report if their lords and masters decide to go abroad and kill someone. They have 2 chances of that happening, 'little chance' and 'no chance', so brainwashed by the brutality of their religion are they.
Under international law, it is a criminal offence to use arms in the defence of, or attack of, citizerns of a foreign country unless it is sanctioned by government decree, i.e. official military force. Anyone going to Syria, Afghanistan or Iraq in the preparation of using weapons on another can easily be refused entry back to this country if not a British citizen. If a British citizen, can be tried in this country, if not for the actual committing of murder but for conspiring with others, or aiding and abetting others, to do so. However, this would take politicians with determination and purpose and they are harder to find in Parliament than rocking horse sh*t!
Penseivat
'The transformation of Christian attitudes of unshakeable belief and strict adherence took many centuries to become a more tolerant religion and one that accepted criticism and that was only accomplished with a lot of conflict and bloodshed in the name of the Christian god.'
You've been reading the Guardian again haven't you, Antisthenes?
Problem is that in some cases they go to Turkey as a first port of call then through the porous border to Syria.
This more about the rift between Shia Islam and Sunni Islam than it is about politics.
Al Qaeda is Sunni. Assad (and Ahmadinejad of Iran)is Shia. No UK 'jihadists' ever went to fight Saddam Hussein because he was also a Sunni.
Assad might be bad, but the alternative is likely to be worse.
"Just put 5 grand bounty on each one, payable if they are killed by EITHER side in Syria."
Capital idea! :D
"...let it not be said that our fellow citizens of the totalitarian Islamic faction have failed to learn irony from their hosts."
Quite!
"It seems to me that by letting so many Muslims into the UK is storing up considerable problems for the near and far future."
You are not wrong. And I fear the picture you paint is, if anything, too rosy!
"The whole thing defies logic, unless seen through the lens of the EU's stated goal of 'the destruction of the nation state'."
One of the few ongoing successes of that loathed organisation... :/
"Assad might be bad, but the alternative is likely to be worse."
Didn't we learn that with Saddam?
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