Lifting the curtain on what it is like working with Mr Cummings at the heart of government, the minister told MailOnline: 'In meetings, it's a lot like having a small child in the corner - ''Why? Why? Why?''
'Things we all take for granted, he wants to take to pieces and start again.'How have those 'things' been serving the country so far? Maybe it needs changing...
And despite this unnamed minister claiming to 'lift the curtain' on Cummings, what he actually shows us is himself.
'He's not in the bubble like the rest of us, he doesn't know anyone - like an ordinary person.'Heh! I bet the 'Mail' reporter could barely restrain a laugh at that!
'I suppose it's a good thing in many ways. You look at things with fresh eyes. He is always very polite, doesn't interrupt and then just makes his point.
'There's no shouting or anything.'Can't even manage a bitter hatchet job with a friendly press, can you? Doesn't that just sum up the nonentities Boris has in his cabinet?